Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:22:16 -0500
From: Paul Krasa
Subject: COZY: Leather from Hirsch Auto
I got the leather from Hirsh over the weekend. The domestic leather is
very nice. The hides are huge, and the leather is soft. The only draw
back was it took 8 wks to recieve the leather.
Paul
Long EZ 214LP
Project status: Besides making the seats, finishing the engine baffle
installation, and installing strobes. The end is near, and I can see the
light at the end of the tunnel. :)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:03:11 -0800
From: Eric Westland
Subject: COZY: Interiors?
Paul's e-mail on leather propmts me to ask just how people plan on doing the
seats? I figure I can cut the foam cushions, but covering them is another
matter, so I guess I'll have to pay someone to do that. Any of you have any
reasonable contacts that do this sort of thing that I could send my cushions
to? Any idea what they charge?
Thanks,
Eric
From: SWrightFLY
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:34:07 EST
Subject: Re: COZY: Interiors?
In a message dated 98-03-16 17:11:47 EST, ewestland@altavista.net writes:
<< Any of you have any
reasonable contacts that do this sort of thing that I could send my cushions
to? Any idea what they charge? >>
I highly recommend Michael Amick in Franklin TN. He is a Cozy Mk-4 builder and
just finished a local MK-4 interior for Michael Link. The quality is
outstanding. You would think you are looking at the interior of a Lexus. He is
going to do the interior of my Stagger EZ. He ain't cheap but you will get
what you pay for! His phone # is 615-790-0341
Steve Wright
From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:18:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: COZY: Interiors?
Steve Wright writes< Interior>
Recommend the temperfoam, remember these are long distance birds! The temperfoam should be cut,
fitted and then laminated in normal location. If laminated flat the probably will crack when bent.
Make templates for both the top and bottom of the fabric/leather from posterboard and provide you
craftsman with the foam and templates, Don't forget a round cutout for the fuel valve, and clearance
for the landing brake. Come straight up from the inside vertical face of the front arm rests. The
little area left to the fuselage side from the upper longeron to the top of armreast is neat for
storing sunglasses and wallet.
From: "Nat Puffer"
Subject: Re: COZY: Interiors?
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:47:51 -0600
Eric,
Most builders use auto upholstery shops, who do this thing all the time.
For my prototype, I bought some sheepskin seat covers at one of the
discount auto stores that were almost the right size and shape and then an
auto store modified them for me for almost nothing. Sheepskin is the most
comfortable, if the look appeals to you.
Regards, Nat
----------
> From: Eric Westland
> To: cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com
> Subject: COZY: Interiors?
> Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 4:03 PM
>
> Paul's e-mail on leather propmts me to ask just how people plan on doing
the
> seats? I figure I can cut the foam cushions, but covering them is
another
> matter, so I guess I'll have to pay someone to do that. Any of you have
any
> reasonable contacts that do this sort of thing that I could send my
cushions
> to? Any idea what they charge?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:00:43 +0000
From: atlasyts@idt.net
Subject: Re: COZY: Interiors?
How abour car seats? You can find almost new ones, remove all the metal
framing and covering. The foam is fire retardent, molded and ready to
go. I have seen Cozy's like that and most likely I will do my plane like
that.
Regards
Bulent
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:11:00 +0000
From: atlasyts@idt.net
Subject: Re: COZY: Interiors/ Sheepskis?
I agree about the sheepskins. One year I did drive around Europe in the
middle of the summer without Air conditioning. The sheepskin in my seat
made my life much easier, since I spent up to 11 hours at the time
driving.
Bulent
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 08:01:23 EST
From: "KEN SARGENT"
Subject: Re[2]: COZY: Interiors?
Just started testing a very nice upholstery material here at Disney.
It is called Luxor II leather by C.H. Draw Inc. of Wichita KS. It was
really well liked by my art director and upholstery shop. Very soft,
but still synthetic. They cater mostly to private jets and such. I
also like that you can get it in FAA fire rated material. Automotive
standards on fire are lower. Be warned, it is $25/yrd. But I have
over 1,000 people a day sitting down in it for two and a half minutes
of fun. Very tuff stuff. Because it is urethane, it is a little
thinner and lighter than leather also.
If you are interested call Rudy Rorer at 1 800 333 9738.
Ken Sargent
#555
ken_sargent@wda.disney.com
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: COZY: Interiors?
Author: "Nat Puffer" at DISNEY-WDW-INTERNET
Date: 3/17/98 12:01 AM
Eric,
Most builders use auto upholstery shops, who do this thing all the time.
For my prototyp............. them for me for almost nothing. Sheepskin is
the most comfortable, if the look appeals to you.
Regards, Nat
-
>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:22:57 -0400
From: "Edmond A. Richards"
Subject: COZY: Interior Finishing
Greetings to all,
Has anyone found a good source for the interior appointments (seats,
flooring, armrests, headliner, etc.). I know that many builders have had
these things made by local auto upholsters also Aircraft Spruce lists an
interior kit in their catalog. I guess my question is, has someone found
what they consider a "best way"?
Thanks for the input.
Ed Richards
Cozy Mark IV #088
Trying to pull all the loose ends together.
From: N11TE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:07:25 EDT
Subject: Re: COZY: Interior Finishing
In a message dated 98-06-17 22:25:44 EDT, EdRichards1@compuserve.com writes:
<< Has anyone found a good source for the interior appointments (seats,
flooring, armrests, headliner, etc.). I know that many builders have had
these things made by local auto upholsters also Aircraft Spruce lists an
interior kit in their catalog. I guess my question is, has someone found
what they consider a "best way"?
>>
One of the really creative ideas that I heard at Sun 'n Fun was from a couple
of AeroCanard builders who went to their local salvage yard and bought a
complete 4-seat leather upholstery package off a Lexus. They indicated that
the seat covers fit extremely well and their cost was only $300.00.
I've been looking for a set myself but haven't found one yet. My local prices
might also be higher.
Most of the changes I've made on my plane have come from the inventive minds
of other builders... often found out by talking to builders at the shows or
reading about them on this forum. Thanks to you all and please keep it up.
Tom Ellis
N11TE@aol.com
Cozy MKIV plans #25
now AeroCanard 540 #11
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:43:06 -0700
From: Eric Westland
Subject: Re: COZY: Interior Finishing
Ed,
I'm looking for the same. One source that I hope holds some promise is
Oregon Aero. I talked to them at SNF and they listed Mark IV seats for $800
(foam only). They had an in-house upholsterer that could cover them, but I
have not contacted them yet to see how much more that would be. So, while
not a great savings, they do produce a high quality product for the RV
crowd. Maybe someone knows if anyone has used them for a Cozy.
Their website is http://www.oregonaero.com/
-eric
Edmond A. Richards wrote:
> Has anyone found a good source for the interior appointments?
From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:11:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: COZY: Interior Finishing
I started by cutting and then laminating the temperfoam in position. This is necessary to prevent
the foam from cracking if you tried to bend to fit after laminating to 3" thick. Then I made
posterboard templates for the top, bottom, and both sides. Although at this point I could have sewed
up the covers (I have reupholstered many pieces of furniture previously and recently and this
wouldn't have been a learning experience), I choose to send the work out in the interest of flying
sooner. I choose a local auto upholsterer, but could have been the furniture variety. Selected the
material (fire resistant) there. He never saw the plane, cut the fabric from the templates, sewed,
and a week later picked up. They fit perfectly as expected. I made the headrests. The forward ones
are 2 ply bid that wraps a small amount around the edges, 1" temperfoam, fabric wraps around the
edge with trim cement on back side.
From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:18:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: COZY: Interior Finishing
Adding to my other message this date: I don't know how anyone could furnish an off the shelf or
without seeing the aircraft, an interior that would fit nicely; unless the foam is glued together in
the aircraft and templates are furnished!
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:48:28 -0400
From: "Edmond A. Richards"
Subject: Re: COZY: Interior Finishing
Eric,
I also spoke to Oregon Aero at SN'F but the guy I talked to indicated that
they would only supply the foam cushions. He said that they had too many
problems with the upholstery end and would not touch it any more. My plan
was to buy the package from these folks :-( Maybe the best bet is to get
the cushions for Oregon Aero and have the upholstery done locally. Just
seems like hit or miss with the local guys.
Thanks for the input.
Ed
Ed Richards
Cozy Mark IV #088
From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:24:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: COZY: UPHOLSTERY TIPS
UPHOLSTERY TIPS:
1: For material and/or fabrication try auto or furniture upholstery shops and suppliers. The material must be
flame resistant.
2: I have the Temperfoam cushions, 3 inches front, 2 inches rear thickness per their lamination/density details.
They are very comfortable on the long haul. Remember the COZY is a long haul machine, don't skimp here.
3: Laminate the foam in place to the contour, otherwise it may crack when bending.
4: Make posterboard templates top, bottom and sides, exactly to shape with no allowances. Include clearance
for fuel valve and center map pocket. Don't fill the area above the front arm rests, It's a much needed spot to
keep sunglasses and wallet.
5: If you do your own upholstery, cut fabric after making seam and stretch allowance. If you send sewing out tell
them the templates are tight and he needs to make the allowance.
6: Use the one sided Velcro 2 inch square patches glued with trim cement to the seats to hold cushions in
position
7: For headrests, layup 2 ply BID that wraps ½" around sides and top. Make 1 sided cushion 1" thick, and wrap
around BID glue with trim cement. 3 8-32 screws through BID, a nut to hold, flox both sides, then through front
of headrests. I have large holes on headresr faces toward airframe centerline for storage of "FLIGHT GUIDE"
airport directory. They are indispensable, with runway diagrams including slopes, frequencies, motels,
restaurants, and more in a small format. Space is at a premium use every spot. The ELT antenna is mounted
under the front seat back, with the little Whip projecting to the top of the inside headrest.
8: I use terry hand towels on the seats for protection of the upholstery fabric when getting in or out. Feet will get
it dirty. They are a complementing color.
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:30:37 -0700
From: Eric Westland
Subject: Re: COZY: upholstery
I'm not sure who this may be, but I am working with the lead upholsterer
for Bayliner boats who is doing our 4-place as a "side job". I already had
the Confor foam (temperfoam) which I had purchased for $325, he's making
patterns, cutting my foam, providing materials (ac approved fabric) for
around $500 more. He should be done in a couple of weeks or so, if I'm
pleased I'll be happy to refer him to anyone interested.
-eric
Rod O wrote:
> I was surfing the net about a month ago, and I came across someone who
> makes upholstery packages for homebuilts. She had packages for cozy IV
> that included just the seat cushions, or complete interiors. Any one
> know who this might be?
> Rod Ogilvie
> merlin@gnt.net
From: "Hunter Welch"
Subject: Re: COZY: upholstery
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:36:15 -0700
Thought I had her information here but I can't seem to find it. Her first
name was Diane. If I happen to find it I will post it. Nat, you said you
wished you had never let them put in the upolstry, but the last time we were
together , Shirley told me she thought it was comfortable. Does the
adhesive loosen due to the heat?? I will have the same problems if that is
so. Still looking... No hurry
Bill
Walsh
-----Original Message-----
From: Nat Puffer
To: Rod O ; cozy builders group
Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: COZY: upholstery
>Dear Rod,
>This must be the lady who used to work for Ron Alexander in Griffin, GA. At
>that time Alexander was making upholstery kits for homebuilt aircraft. He
>asked me if I could loan them my plans model Mark IV to make patterns. I
>loaned them my airplane for 2 weeks. They installed the upholstery in my
>airplane and charged me $1000 for the materials. Shortly thereafter, Ron
>Alexander discontinued uphostery kits, and she (I don't remember her name)
>left the organization. Subsequently Ron Alexander sold out to Aircraft
>Spruce. The upholstery kit they installed added 40 lbs. to my airplane. The
>upholstery was glued down with rubber cement, which keeps coming loose. I
>wish I had not agreed to let them install upholstery in my airplane. In
>previous airplanes I painted the inside of the cockpit with Zolatone, and
>installed only seat cushions which I had made by an automobile upholstery
>shop. I thought this was just as neat, easier to keep clean, and a whole
>lot lighter and a whole lot less expensive.
>Regards,
>Nat
>----------
>> From: Rod O
>> To: cozy builders group
>> Subject: COZY: upholstery
>> Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 10:30 PM
>>
>> I was surfing the net about a month ago, and I came across someone who
>> makes upholstery packages for homebuilts. She had packages for cozy IV
>> that included just the seat cushions, or complete interiors. Any one
>> know who this might be?
>> Rod Ogilvie
>> merlin@gnt.net
>>
>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:56:16 -0800
From: hrogers@slac.stanford.edu (Howard Rogers)
Subject: Re: COZY: upholstery
Eric,
I will be very interested to hear how your Bayliner friend's
uhpolstery job turns out. I am also very interested to know where you
purchased your temperfoam. It has been a while since I checked on it, but
I remember that enough to do my Long EZ cost a LOT more than $325. I
suspected, at the time, that a more economical source could be found.
--Howard Rogers, 650-926-4052
hrogers@slac.stanford.edu
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:47:43 -0500
From: Bill Theeringer
Subject: COZY: Temperfoam
Howard:
In reading your mail it just dawned on me that Randy Hartman told me at
Oshkosh this year that he had bought a set of Temperfoam to do his Long EZ
but later decided to use regular foam. He said the Temperfoam was for
sale. You might contact him at rlhartma@crnotes.cca.rockwell.com....
Bill Theeringer
N29EZ
From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:43:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: COZY: upholstery
The temperfoam (there are some imitations that I can't say anything about) is very comfortable on
the long haul. My wife and I are both 6 decades age, and 7 or 8 hour in the air in a day is not an
issue comfort wise. It feels very firm, but it does give at the right spots. When we climb out, we
walk as if the flight was 10 minutes. Its expensive, use the colors (stiffness) recommended,
laminate in place to the correct curvature. I have 3" front, 2" rear, and 1" headrests.
Don't skimp on this important item, its a very small percentage of the entire bird.
From: "Tim"
Subject: COZY: upholstry
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:12:01 -0600
I am looking for some aircraft upholstry to cover my seat cushons and arm
rest.
The only upholstry shops in my area supply marine and auto upholstry which
is not flame resistant. Any ideas?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:55:56 -0800
From: "LCDR James D. Newman"
Subject: COZY: Re: Upholstry
Hi Tim and All,
> I am looking for some aircraft upholstry to cover my seat cushons and arm rest. The only
> upholstry shops in my area supply marine and auto upholstry which
> is not flame resistant. Any ideas?
Check out C.H. Draw - Synthetic Leather at http://www.chdraw.com . Great stuff, meets FAA
certs, exceeds the 100,000 swipe test by 900,000, used in Pipers and more!
Infinity's Forever,
JD
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:20:04 -0800
From: michael amick
Subject: Re: COZY: upholstry
Tim wrote:
>
> The only upholstry shops in my area supply marine and auto upholstry which
> is not flame resistant. Any ideas?
Go to an upholstery wholesale supplier & ask for cloth & foam that meets
the
Calif. code. Anything made for the new autos is also fire retardant.
Another option is to use leather for the seats.
Michael Amick
From: K_N_Sargent@webtv.net (Ken Sargent)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:51:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: COZY: Re: Upholstry
I can echo C.H. Draw for getting the fire rating you want. I believe
they where getting with Aircraft Spruce on distribution for us builders.
Used this material at Disney, but the ride I had it in, people step down
hard onto the seat cover and the "leather" near the floor board
started to tear in a few months. Remember a few months here means
=100,000 people hopping into your plane (not likely). What I have
learned in talking to CH Draw is that this material get's its "hand" of
subtle feel by a tough but thin urethane covering. The 1,000,000 rubs
it can take are the more typical wear it would get by one of us, who has
spent many hours primping our little project together.
Caution on automotive fire ratings specifically D.O.T. 301 - it is a
flame spread rating, and does not include smoke generation. It is the
smoke generation that is most important to me, for a cockpit full of
this is very scary thought.
Remeber your padding, In the near future we should be able to get
silcone foam, which is the most fire proof stuff you couldn't believe.
Some new airline seats are done this way, but it is not very available
to us. Until then, keep in mind to get the best fir properties you can
in the outer fabric, because the typical urethane foam inside is nasty.
Ken Sargent
Cozy Plan Set #555
From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:07:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: COZY: Re: Upholstry
For stepping into the Cosy, I have terry cloth hand towels laid on the seat. They are easily washed,
inexpensive and easily found in discount or department stores linen dept. Color and texture
coordinate with your interior. When working on the bird in and out many times I then use an old
towel.