by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V5.1-4 #16063) with SMTP id <01IFBR14865S0035CX@SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:58:49 PST Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:59:26 -0800 From: hrogers@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Howard Rogers) Subject: COZY: Robin's Cool Tiedowns! > i offer >this...Would anyone like a drawing of My Very Own Invention, the >Supercool du Bois Self Retracting Tie-Down points? They will make you >the envy of all mere mortals, and they are shareware! Just send a self >addressed stamped to 1607 e. Euclid Ave. Tucson AZ 85719... > >or I will send a file via Email that you can read with your PDF >reader... Take your pick. Registering the product is free and will >entitle you to receive nothing whatsoever! > > >Robin du Bois >Allegro Avionics >(Engine temperature and fuel monitors.) >Cozy II-place N22AZ Robin, I obtained an Acrobat 3.0 program from our public-domain site-license, and was able to read and print your drawing, just fine. I want to thank you again, and publicly. I work in the world of physicists and very high tech engineering (physics R&D), and have seen many solutions to many problems in the last 20 years. A few stand out as awesome, because they were so incredibly simple, elegant, cheap, easy, and solved the problem better than several previous attempts. These kinds of solutions almost always have an element of "I could have thought of that", because of their simplicity. The important thing is: I didn't. YOU did! Your solution solves all the problems. Nothing to lose or misplace. More than adequate strength. Zero drag. Light weight. Cheap. Easy. Consider yourself heartily patted on the back and dealt one official "Attaboy". For myself, having seen this approach, nothing else will do. I highly recomend it to all the builders in the group. You owe it to yourselves to check out Robin's unique, trick tiedowns! --Howard Rogers From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: COZY: Robin's Cool Tiedowns! (fwd) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 15:21:45 EST Robin Du Bois wrote: >>this...Would anyone like a drawing of My Very Own Invention, the >>Supercool du Bois Self Retracting Tie-Down points? Howard Rogers wrote: >....... The important thing is: I didn't. YOU did! Your >solution solves all the problems. Nothing to lose or misplace. More than >adequate strength. Zero drag. Light weight. Cheap. Easy. OK, so with that incredible (unpaid and unsolicited :-) ) endorsement, if Robin sends me th PDF file, I'll be perfectly happy to make it available on the web pages (with a link to Adobe to download the PDF viewer for those of you who don't already have it). This way, Robin won't get inundated with requests and everyone can peruse it at their leisure. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:53:20 +0000 From: robin du bois Subject: Re: COZY: Robin's Cool Tiedowns! (fwd) Jeff S Russell wrote: > > > I do not like that kind of tiedown because of trying to reach > rope or chains at any hard surface tiedowns (they don't reach) > > They work fine if you plan to bring your own rope or plan to > tiedown in the grass with your own twist in tiedowns that you > place were it reaches them. > > Jeff, what sort of EZ tie downs do you use that don't require you to bring anything with you? I want some! Robin du Bois by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-5 #17060) with SMTP id <01IFDH36DWZU965BDL@InfoAve.Net> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:35:42 EST Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:35:24 -0500 From: Jeff S Russell Subject: Re: COZY: Robin's Cool Tiedowns! (fwd) Organization: AEROCAD INC. Marc J. Zeitlin wrote: > I have added Robin's Tiedown idea to the COZY web pages at: I do not like that kind of tiedown because of trying to reach rope or chains at any hard surface tiedowns (they don't reach) They work fine if you plan to bring your own rope or plan to tiedown in the grass with your own twist in tiedowns that you place were it reaches them. -- AeroCad Inc. Jeff Russell 1445 Crater Lane Yadkinville, NC. 27055 phone/ call first for fax 910-961-2238 NEW E-mail: JRAEROCAD@yadtel.net NEW homepage address: http://www.binary.net/aerocad by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-5 #17060) with SMTP id <01IFEI1CHMJW941DXH@InfoAve.Net> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:13:16 EST Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:12:36 -0500 From: Jeff S Russell Subject: Re: COZY: Robin's Cool Tiedowns! (fwd) Organization: AEROCAD INC. <3303891C.67A7@yadtel.Net> <3303631D.6C84@dakotacom.net> robin du bois wrote: > Jeff, what sort of EZ tie downs do you use that don't require you to > bring anything with you? I want some! Robin, I did not say that I like my tie down system better because it requires me not to bring anything in the airplane when I go places with it. I have small hole/tubes behind the wing spar about 16" inboard of the winglets that I insert (bring with me) I-bolts and washers that go through the tube and then reach a standard width tiedown. I also carry rope and grass twist in tiedowns when planning to go to a Flyin that I will have to made my own place to stay. Normaly I just carry the bolts. Hope that helps -- AeroCad Inc. Jeff Russell 1445 Crater Lane Yadkinville, NC. 27055 phone/ call first for fax 910-961-2238 NEW E-mail: JRAEROCAD@yadtel.net NEW web site: http://www.binary.net/aerocad NEW AeroCanard pictures http://ab00.larc.nasa.gov/~kleb/ac/ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:34:01 -0500 (EST) From: astrong@dvsdghse.com Subject: COZY: Re; tie downs There has been so much traffic on tie downs . I thought I might as well throw in mine,or what I have.nine years ago when I got to the wings and the question of tie down came up I bought a pair that Aircraft Spruce carried"Qwick Release Tie downs" Part#13-03900 @$39.85 a pair.I did not find them in the `96-`97 catalog.I did find them in the `94-`95 catalog page 379.I spliced an eye to 1/2" poly rope to a heavy duty snaps that would attach to the ring of the tie down.Most of the time I bring the ropes with me but when chains are available I just unsnap the rope from the ring and run the chain through the ring.Works quite well.I now have 350 hrs. on my three place. A.Strong Cozy III N306AN astrong@dvsdghse.com Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 01:06:26 -0500 From: INFINITY Aerospace Subject: Re: Re: COZY: Robin's Cool Tiedowns! Hi All, >I guess I will keep my tie downs though, I'd rather carry a couple if light lines and snap them on than a hand full of loose hardware. Not that it is not a great idea, I just tend to lose stuff like that! Also leave it on the airplane when I should not...< How about moving Robin's design out to within 16" or so of the winglet and mount it to a pivot block on the front of the wing 'C' spar ala Cessna Cardinal RG? It can be done even if your wing is finished. No extra hardware to carry and forget through the wings (Robin's concern), which, by the way, has been used in canards for 15+ years, and moving Robin's design outboard better locates over a tie down (Jeff's and others concern). HTH. Infinity's Forever, EAA Member EAA Technical Counselor JD EAA Flight Advisor AOPA Member Test Pilot James D. Newman, President LCDR F-14 USNR INFINITY Aerospace Mailing Address: P. O. Box 12275 El Cajon, CA 92022 Shipping Address: 1750 Joe Crosson Drive, D-2 El Cajon, CA 92020 (619) 448-5103 PH & FAX E-Mail -- INFINITY_Aerospace@CompuServe.com Checkout our many products, Stick Grips, Retractable Main Landing Gear and the Infinity 1 Home Page -- http://Ourworld.CompuServe.com/Homepages/INFINITY_Aerospace Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:32:06 +0000 From: robin du bois Subject: Re: COZY: Robin's Cool Tiedowns! Howard Rogers wrote: > > Am I missing something here? I don't see why you can't use Robin's method > on the OUTBORAD wing attatch point. On the Long EZ, this puts the > rope-attatch point at nearly an eight foot span. On your Cozy, it will be > even wider. My Grumman has its tiedown points nearly at the wingtips, and > I frequently have trouble reaching tiedowns from the outside! I would > think that the outborad end of the centersection spar is certainly wide > enough for most tiedowns, without much rope being required. > > -Howard Rogers Howard, you aren't missing a thing, the tie down points on my cozy ARE on the outboard attach points..I may well have given you the wrong impression. This puts them just out of reach of some Spam Can tie down spots, as Jeff kindly pointed out. Robin du Bois Cozy22AZ Allegro Avionics (engine and fuel monitors) by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V5.1-4 #16063) with SMTP id <01IFKA1XYT8K002XZP@SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:29:29 PST Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:30:07 -0800 From: hrogers@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Howard Rogers) Subject: Re: Re: COZY: Robin's Cool Tiedowns! >Hi All, > > >I guess I will keep my tie downs though, I'd rather carry a couple >if light lines and snap them on than a hand full of loose hardware. Not >that it is not a great idea, I just tend to lose stuff like that! Also >leave it on the airplane when I should not...< > > How about moving Robin's design out to within 16" or so of the >winglet and mount it to a pivot block on the front of the wing 'C' spar ala >Cessna Cardinal RG? It can be done even if your wing is finished. No >extra hardware to carry and forget through the wings (Robin's concern), >which, by the way, has been used in canards for 15+ years, and moving >Robin's design outboard better locates over a tie down (Jeff's and others >concern). JD Am I missing something here? I don't see why you can't use Robin's method on the OUTBORAD wing attatch point. On the Long EZ, this puts the rope-attatch point at nearly an eight foot span. On your Cozy, it will be even wider. My Grumman has its tiedown points nearly at the wingtips, and I frequently have trouble reaching tiedowns from the outside! I would think that the outborad end of the centersection spar is certainly wide enough for most tiedowns, without much rope being required. -Howard Rogers