Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:38:00 +0100 From: "Niels \Xstergaard Kj\fr" Subject: COZY: Epoxy UK If you don't find any appropiate epoxy, I can inform you that a danish engineer have designed an epoxy and resin that we use here in Denmark, since he wasn't satisfied with the temperature range and ability to work with compared to what is used elsewhere in Europe. I'm going to the factory on monday and could ask if he has any export to UK. Niels Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:36:08 -0500 From: INFINITY Aerospace <72124.347@compuserve.com> Subject: COZY: Re: Fuel pump fittings Hi Paul and All, >. . . I need straight fitting.< Parker, Swagelok and/or Genuine Aircraft Hardware Co. ($10 for their excellent catalog, (805) 239-3169) should have them. Infinity's Forever, JD Date: Sun, 12 Jan 97 19:50:56 EST From: "Nick J Ugolini" Subject: COZY: Surplus I was at my favorite military surplus store (about250 NM from home) and I found a really neat items. One is a 12 volt 50 watt heater (about 4 amps). Its size is 1.5" long .5" wide and paper thin with an adhesive backing. It has 2 three foot leads on it. They are small enough that I adhered 2 of them around my pitot tube wrapped them with a little bit of cloth and tied it with some safety wire. I will flox them in place. In my shop with one of them energized the pitot tube measured 210 deg f. I have no doubt in freezing weather at 140 Kts I will be able to keep my tube from freezing. By placing two of them around the pitot I have an installed spare. Best of all they were only $5 each. If you want some there are about 20 left. I can get them to you for $5.32 each. They also had some Mil spec wire for sale. I decided to buy a lifetime supply. The manager told me military surplus is getting harder to find and when the wire is gone it is gone. They have Mil 22759, but I found some Mil 81044. This is a higher quality than M22759, (M81044 is used for aero space systems), the insulation is better so the wire is thinner therefore it is lighter and smaller. By mistake I bought an extra 1000 feet of M81044/12 #20 wire (black). I was planning to exchange it for white wire but I thought I would first offer it to the group. I will sell it for $0.12 per foot. If I have enough interest I can also get you some M81044 #22 wire for $0.10/foot. (I bought 2000 feet of it for myself ; ) ) If you prefer M22759 they also sell various sizes. All the wire is new, military surplus. Southern Division, Naval Facilities Engineering Command P.O. Box 190010 N. Charleston, SC 29419-9010 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 7:33:55 EST From: "Nick J Ugolini" Subject: COZY: Surplus Correction I made a mistake on my calculation on the wire last night (Too much work not enough sleep). The #20 wire (any type) is $.10/foot and the #22 wire (any type) is $.08/foot. Southern Division, Naval Facilities Engineering Command P.O. Box 190010 N. Charleston, SC 29419-9010 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 08:45:31 EST From: MISTER@neesnet.com Subject: Re: COZY: Surplus Nick: RE:"I was at my favorite military surplus store (about250 NM from home) and I found a really neat items." Would you be willing to share the name and address of this store with us? Bob Misterka N342RM Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:51:07 -0800 From: Wayne Lanza <"wlanza@iu.net@wlanza"@iu.net> Subject: COZY: speed brake kits Hello to all fellow Cozy & EZ builders, Happy New Year! I'd like to note a change in availability of the speed brake kits that I manufacture. As many of you know, I'm very conservative when it come to using this news group for business related issues, but I have been encourged to mention the following... Over the past two years I have kept the cost of the kits down to $275, years ago they were originally $250. In the last 18 months, my cost on the actuators & other parts is up by about $50. I DO NOT want to increase the cost of the kits to the builders. The only way to realize this is to buy the actautors on quantity. PLEASE understand that this is NOT a plug to pressure anyone to buy parts!! All I am trying to say is that in some cases the lead time may go out to 6 to 8 weeks, depending upon when you place your order. Orders will require pre-payment, not necessarily 8 weeks before an order is to be delivered but at least in the 4 weeks before I order the necessary stock to fill a batch of, let's say, 5 speed brake kits. If you have any questions, etc... please direct to me by email, phone or fax. Thanks for you understanding, Wayne Lanza phone/fax (561) 664-8953 home (561) 664-9239 email wlanza@iu.net Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:20:29 -0500 (EST) From: RGCardinal@aol.com Subject: COZY: Robert Kittler Wanted to ask anyone if they have any experience with or informed opinions about the Weldtech Engine mounts vs. Brock Mfg. I have heard that Weldtech is outstanding but have no personal experience upon which to base an opinion. I should also add that I'm still in the prebuild phase of getting aquainted but I'm considering purchase of some items from Weldtech now rather than later. This is because I've been told that he is getting older and thus there is uncertainty as to whether he'll be in business a couple of years from now when I actually need the parts. Your feedback will be appreciated. Regards Robert Kittler RGCardinal@aol.com by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-5 #17060) with SMTP id <01IFKGBVJDNA94QEPO@InfoAve.Net> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:29:15 EST Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:28:41 -0500 From: Jeff S Russell Subject: COZY: Price increase on parts Organization: AEROCAD INC. As of Jan. 1997 we had to go to higher prices on most of the parts that we sell. BOO---- If any of you need a new price sheet for your Cozy I can E-mail or snail-mail you a list. The price of resin, glass, foam and nuts and bolts just keep going up. The increase was on mostly hardware and about 50% of our molded parts. If Marc Z. is willing, I can again list the updated prices to the Group. Our web site is still under reconstruction and has the old prices and will be updated ASAP. -- AeroCad Inc. Jeff Russell 1445 Crater Lane Yadkinville, NC. 27055 phone/ call first for fax 910-961-2238 NEW E-mail: JRAEROCAD@yadtel.net NEW web site: http://www.binary.net/aerocad From: "James E. Marker" Subject: COZY: Birch plywood is it all the same? (U) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:58:04 -0500 Is the birch plywood from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce any different than the Birch plywood I can get in the specialty wood section of any lumber store (besides being 8 times as expensive)? Same question for 5-minute epoxy. Is the stuff from Wicks or A/C the same as I get at the hobby store (besides being more expensive)? ============================================================================ ======= Jim Marker Email: jemstone@csra.net Web: http://www.csra.net/jemstone/ Cozy Mark IV #0581 Cozy Web Page: http://www.csra.net/jemstone/cozy.htm From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: COZY: Birch plywood is it all the same? Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 23:38:26 EST Jim Marker asks; >Is the birch plywood from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce any different than the >Birch plywood I can get in the specialty wood section of any lumber store >(besides being 8 times as expensive)? Could be. The stuff you get from AS or Wicks has a MIL spec rating, and at least 5 plies (for the 6 mm thick stuff). It also gets a lot more testing than the industrial stuff, although for our purposes that may not make a big difference. You only use about $50 worth of plywood in the whole plane, so unless you can guarantee the quality of the stuff you get from the local house, I'd stick with the aircraft plywood. >Same question for 5-minute epoxy. Is the stuff from Wicks or A/C the same >as I get at the hobby store (besides being more expensive)? Yes. Actually, it didn't seem that much more expensive. After 2 1/2 years, I'm about 1/2 way through the quart bottles I bought, and maybe it cost ~$24? I don't know how much that would cost at a hobby store - if you can get it cheaper, by all means do so. Like Eric W. said, get a hot glue gun. You can use both of them. Sometimes one works better, sometimes the other. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V5.1-4 #16063) with SMTP id <01IFN01M8MN0003ODI@SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:15:14 PST Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:15:55 -0800 From: hrogers@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Howard Rogers) Subject: Re: COZY: Birch plywood is it all the same? (U) >Is the birch plywood from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce any different than the >Birch plywood I can get in the specialty wood section of any lumber store >(besides being 8 times as expensive)? > >Same question for 5-minute epoxy. Is the stuff from Wicks or A/C the same >as I get at the hobby store (besides being more expensive)? > >============================================================================ >======= >Jim Marker Jim, I haven't seen the plywood samples from both sources, but the simple answer is: They are probably quite different. Most of the aircraft grade plywood is more than three plys, has no voids, and a specific type of glue is used. Most lumber store plywood is three ply, and much of it is pretty poor, structurally, till you get into the really expensive stuff. Best bet is to do some homework on exactly what you are buying, then shop around. Hobby stores frequently sell very high quality ply for RC aircraft, if you only need a small amount. As for the 5 minute, get the Devcon wherever you can find it the cheapest. It is usually used just for jigging purposes, anyway, so I wouldn't worry about the "ultimate strength" too much. If that is what you are after, you should be using some other structural epoxy anyway. Howard Rogers A&P 2005148 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:45:05 -0600 From: tpierce@ghg.net (Terence J. Pierce) Subject: COZY: Excellent Composite Class I just returned from the Alexander Sportair's Basic and Plans-built Composites workshop in Denton. It was taught by Jeff Russell and his wife Catherine. The class was excellent. I learned all kind of time and money saving information. We learned everything from building a workshop table, to layups, to finishing, to making molds. I got there early Saturday and Sunday Mornings and during lunch breaks and got to pick Jeff brain for probably a total of 2 hours. Just that was worth the price of the class. I brought a list of questions I had and got them all answered. Jeff is very knowledgeable and has a great personality. Having got to know Jeff and Catherine, I can say that they realize that peoples lives depend on the parts and kits that they produce. And that they are very saftey minded. He is not just in this for the money, but truly loves his work and this sport. If I get burned out building, I won't hesitate a moment to use Jeff's kits. Thanks again Jeff and Catherine, Terry Pierce Cozy Mark IV #600 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:35:52 -0800 From: Wayne Lanza <"wlanza@iu.net@wlanza"@iu.net> Subject: Re: COZY: Alternate Parts Suppliers DFinn7971@aol.com wrote: > > While there are several sources for a number of the parts Brock is still the > only place you can buy everything. It would sure be nice if the market were > large enough to lure someone else into the buisness. I would guess that many > of the parts would be common to the AeroCanard, Berkut or possibly the > Velocity. If its not out of line for this forum could I ask where these guys > buy there stuff. > Hi Guys, I don't know where the other kit manufacturers buy their stuff, but I do know that Velocity builds/welds/machines most, if not all of the parts for their kit. There are many dis-similarities between the Velocity and Cozy/AeroCanard/Berkut. I wouldn't be supprised if Jeff Russell has a few alternate sources. If buying stuff from Ken has got even MORE rediculous that it was for me 5 years ago, God help you guys. Approaching Jeff at Sun-N-Fun would be a good start! Buying parts from Velocity will prove to be of limited advantage, but I can ask to check thru their stocked parts for applicable bits & pieces. I'll post what I find within the next couple of weeks (probably after Lakeland). Until then, let patience prevail, I'm sure that Jeff & the Swings are up to their eyeballs for S&F !! Hope to see a bunch of you at the forum at noon on 4/6!! Safe Travels, Wayne Lanza Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:22:21 -0800 From: berkut@loop.com Subject: Re: COZY: Inexpensive universals >While there are several sources for a number of the parts Brock is still the >only place you can buy everything. It would sure be nice if the market were >large enough to lure someone else into the buisness. I would guess that many >of the parts would be common to the AeroCanard, Berkut or possibly the >Velocity. If its not out of line for this forum could I ask where these guys >buy there stuff. The things that are cast, we have no choice, we buy from Brock, though we've looked into doing our own casting. Frequently we buy the raw castings and do our own machining, as with the nose wheel fork and the NG6. Some of the welded things we buy (bellcranks) many we make ourselves (engine mounts). Strictly machined things like the CS112 or the NC2 we make, stamped things like the NC3 and the LEZ-LL we buy. If we had some more volume it would make sense to have our own stamp dies made. I'd love to install the Mk IV offset bellcranks for the elevator torque tubes in my Long EZ, but there's no way I'll spend _that_ much to keep out a little bit of cold air. One thing I'd like to thank Jeff Russell for is his mod to the NC3/torque tube design - they're infinitely easier to machine and make for a stronger installation. If he sells his tubes and NC3's, use them, they're worth it. Note that we are mostly buying Long EZ things, not Mk IV, so much of what we buy is a LOT less than the Cozy price. Also, we have to pay full retail at Brock, even though we buy for many airplanes, not just one. As time has gone on we've made more and more stuff ourselves, largely for that reason. -- Czech Sikhs! Richard Riley "Heavier than air flying machines are impossible." Lord Kelvin, President, Royal Society, c 1895 See the Berkut at http://www.berkut.com Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:18:50 -0500 (EST) From: astrong@dvsdghse.com Subject: COZY: Vendor anouncement! The Strong Electric Pitch Trim for Canards is now available. for info e-mail;astrong@dvsdghse.com.For additional info. and photos access "www.concentric.net/~marcna/alextrim.html". Check out the demonstrator at Nat Puffer`s Sun `N Fun booth. A.Strong Cozy III N306AN astrong@dvsdghse.com Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 15:00:45 -0800 From: berkut@loop.com Subject: Re: COZY: Cabin Heat If you're going to go electric heat, make sure you have a _BIG_ alternator - a 30 amp alt. only puts out 360 watts, your basic blow dryer is 4 times that. > > Composite Aircraft Accessories make a really nice electric cockpit >heater that can also be used as a canopy defog - P.O. Box 21645 Santa >Barbara, CA 93121 (805) 964-5453. > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:47:19 -0400 (EDT) From: DFinn7971@aol.com Subject: Re: COZY: Ordering parts In a message dated 97-04-11 05:02:45 EDT, cvh@iafrica.com (C van Hoof) writes: << Some parts are cheaper if ordered in longer lenghts(ie hinges) Same on some sheeting and angled materials. What I would do different: make a computer list, use the sort command and then order only what I need plus the extra material to get the savings. >> Chris has a super idea here. I started out ordering the exact number of screws, the exact number of washers, etc. Later in the game I started consolidating orders and buying in bulk (you can buy a 100 washers for less then you would pay for 50). Further, after losing parts (dropped on the floor), ruining foam, wasting epoxy, etc I found I was ahead by buying more then was required. My procedure is: 1. List out everything I need exactly as stated in the plans (as Chris suggests, I do it on the computer in a spreadsheet). 2. I go through my hardware cabinets and note any common stuff in short supply. 3. I next look at the Wicks and AS&S catalogue and record the prices for all the parts. 4. I then increase the quantities, sizes, etc. to give me extra stuff at the best cost. 5. I often try to split the order between the two suppliers based on price. I have found, however, that AS&S almost always has the best price right out of the box. 6. Try to order at Oshkosh from Wicks. They offer a show discount of 10% which virtually always makes them the low price choice. 7. As I live in Illinois and have a lake cabin in Wisconsin in the same UPS shipping zone I arrange to have the order shipped to Wisconsin. This saves me the Illinois sales tax from Wicks. Sometimes you can work a deal with suppliers on shipping at Oshkosh. For example, I had Featherlight bring my canopy to Oshkosh in their truck. I picked it up the day before the show started. No shipping. I also bought my rudder pedals from Jeff Russell on the last day of the show several years ago. He had them on display and gave them to me on the last day. No shipping. Even though Jeff didn't know me then he extended credit as I did not have the cash on me at the time. Nice fellow -- yes, I did pay up as soon as I got home. Dick Finn Cozy Mark IV #46 DFINN7971@AOL.COM Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:51:45 +0100 From: paul1 Subject: COZY: I need help finding epoxy in the U.K. I've recently moved my Cozy MKIV project from Seattle to the U.K., and was unable to bring any epoxy with me because it's classified as hazardous material (no new to you folks, I'm sure). I'd planned to get epoxy from Aircraft Spruce's outlet here in England, but discovered after I arrived here that they don't stock any materials in England any more, and fill all orders from California. They say that shipping epoxy here via surface freight is going to cost me "hundreds of dollars". I tried a source to whom I was referred bu Uli Wolter, but they claimed to have nothing like what I was looking for. Perhaps I wasn't asking the right questions, but it was obvious they weren't interested in my order. In any case, is there someone out there who knows where I can obtain some epoxy so that I can resume my project? After spending a whole bunch of money getting it and a critical set of shop tools here and installing them in the garage, I'm really anxious to get underway again. Any help would be appreciated. Paul Kuntz paul1@post1.wavenet.co.uk by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-5 #17060) with SMTP id <01IHYYS18NH4AH44R3@InfoAve.Net> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:45:46 EST Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:46:41 -0400 From: Jeff S Russell Subject: COZY: Weldtech? Organization: AEROCAD INC. Weldtech has gone out of buisness as of 04-30-97. Just to let you people know of the loss of a great guy in the welding department on engine mounts and other things. We are working on a new suplier of engine mounts, rudder pedals and other metal parts. We should have a new one in about a month. RANS aircraft is working with us. They also made engine mounts for the Berkut. -- AeroCad Inc. Jeff Russell Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:15:38 -0400 From: GLENN Murray Subject: COZY: cozy parts Hi fellow builders, I wish I had access to suppliers of cozy parts as you do in the states. I need the following parts to complete my project ,so if anyone out there knows the cheapest source for the following,please let me know. (I Might even fly over on a commercial plane to collect) 1 a 6" prop extension 2 a cozy exhaust system for a cozy classic using a lycoming 0-320 E2A 3 a light weight starter for above engine (122 tooth starter ring) 4 a vacuum pump If anyone out there fancies a holiday over here,I can offer free accommodation in return for fetching over the parts (I'll pay for the parts) HERES HOPING Glenn Murray. Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:43:26 -0400 From: Phillip.Johnson@lmco.com (Phillip Johnson) Subject: COZY: I need help finding epoxy in the U.K. Paul, I'm a British expatriate living in Canada and well into my MK IV project #30. My suggestion to you is to contact the Popular Flying Association (PFA) in Shoreham, Sussex. This is the equivalent of the EAA. They do have a web site but I can't remember the address. The usual search engines find it though. It sounds as if you are asking the wrong questions. There are a number of Vari-eze's, Long-eze's and Cosy's flying in the UK so they are getting their materials somewhere. May be the question to ask is: what epoxies are being used for these types of plane? Sorry, I don't mean to sound arrogant. There is a Cozy Mk IV builder down in Sussex that is well into his project. Nat would have his address and phone number, I have misplaced the number he gave me. He's a really nice guy and could help you a lot. If you have difficulty finding the addresses or telephone numbers I can rummage through my files at home and dig them up, I am at work at present. Phillip Johnson Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:40:31 -0400 From: Jim Hocut Subject: Re: COZY: I need help finding epoxy in the U.K. >I've recently moved my Cozy MKIV project from Seattle to the U.K., and >was unable to bring any epoxy with me because it's classified as >hazardous material ...... I'd had a conversation with someone from AS&S about epoxies who said that Poly-Poxy is not classified as hazardous. I can't vouch for their information, but if it's true it may make shipping much less expensive. Might be worth looking into. Jim Hocut jhocut@mindspring.com From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: COZY: I need help finding epoxy in the U.K. (fwd) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 10:30:11 EDT Phillip Johnson wrote; > ...... My suggestion to you is to contact the Popular Flying > Association (PFA) in Shoreham, Sussex. This is the equivalent of the > EAA. They do have a web site but I can't remember the address. The > usual search engines find it though. Check out: http://sirius.tvu.ac.uk/~mikea/pfa/ http://www.hiway.co.uk/aviation/ http://www.hiway.co.uk/aviation/pfahome.html http://www.hiway.co.uk/aviation/pfacon.html PFA phone # within UK: 01273 461616 Good luck. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:00:17 -0700 From: C van Hoof Organization: Architect Subject: Re: COZY: I need help finding epoxy in the U.K. Hi paul1 snip > referred bu Uli Wolter, Speak to him again, there are builders in Nederland, France etc some using German & French Epoxy systems of equal or better quality, hopefully they will inform you direct with their sources. snip> Perhaps I wasn't asking the > right questions, but it was obvious they weren't interested in my > order. Sounds like the wrong source altogether. > Any help would be appreciated. That was it :-) FWIW Tell us some of the differences in building / inspections etc re USA / UK when they become apparent - if you will please. chris #219 From: berkut@loop.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:19:35 -0700 Subject: Re: COZY: I need help finding epoxy in the U.K. Paul - Call Glen Waters at 1-95-385-0604, in Norfolk - he's about to fly Berkut #002 there and I know he had the same problem. > Paul, > > I'm a British expatriate living in Canada and well into my MK IV > project #30. My suggestion to you is to contact the Popular Flying > Association (PFA) in Shoreham, Sussex. This is the equivalent of the > EAA. They do have a web site but I can't remember the address. The > usual search engines find it though. > > It sounds as if you are asking the wrong questions. There are a number > of Vari-eze's, Long-eze's and Cosy's flying in the UK so they are > getting their materials somewhere. May be the question to ask is: what > epoxies are being used for these types of plane? Sorry, I don't mean > to sound arrogant. > > There is a Cozy Mk IV builder down in Sussex that is well into his > project. Nat would have his address and phone number, I have misplaced > the number he gave me. He's a really nice guy and could help you a > lot. > > If you have difficulty finding the addresses or telephone numbers I > can rummage through my files at home and dig them up, I am at work at > present. > > Phillip Johnson > > -- Richard Riley Renaissance Composites, Inc. 3025 Airport Ave Santa Monica CA 90405 310.391.1943 "Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?" Jack Warner, 1928 See the Berkut at http://www.berkut.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:43:46 +0200 From: Jean-Jacques CLAUS Subject: Re: COZY: I need help finding epoxy in the U.K. paul1 wrote: >Any help would be appreciated. > = Paul, I am a french builder of a COSY Classic. When I began my construction, I had the same problem like you and I did'nt want to use an unknown resin as we find in some little shop which sales their own formula epoxy resin. After a long search, I found my epoxy resin at the "AXSON Group" which resales "HEXCEL products" in Europe. I think that AXSON is present in the U.K, otherwise you can contact them : AXSON France = ZI des B=E9thunes Rue de l'=E9querre 95310 SAINT-OUEN-L'AUMONE Tel : 33-01 34 40 34 60 Fax : 33-01 34 21 97 87 to obtain the list of their UK dealers...good luck. Jean-Jacques CLAUS Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:19:00 -0400 (EDT) From: RGCardinal@aol.com Subject: COZY: Weldtech Corp Subj: Weldtech Corp Date: 97-04-24 14:12:14 EDT From: RGCardinal To: Cozy Builders assn. It was recently posted on this forum ( I don't recall the poster ) that Weldtech was closing on 4/30/97. That is not entirely correct in that he is closing about the end of May. His closing however will result in the loss of a supply scource offering unequaled quality. The reason for this is simply a lack of work. The trend is towards kit built aircraft while Weldtech's forte is supplying to the plans builders, such as us. Many would suggest that the engine mounts and other products offered by Weldtech are superior to others. I can certainly testify that the cost is more reasonable. I can also say that I have never heard of an engine mount made by Weldtech failing. We can make a difference. If you're in need of a mount, now or in the future and are anything but totally satisfied with alternative scources, Weldtech is a company deserving of your support. But time is short. The phone number for Weldtech is 509 946-3269. Regards Robert Kittler PS. Mark Z. You can update my listing at your convienence. I've started building. Chapter 4 and 5. GREAT FUN!!!!! by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-5 #17060) with SMTP id <01II3CCX8QCKAHB25D@InfoAve.Net> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:57:37 EST Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:57:37 -0500 (EST) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by InfoAve.Net From: Nick Ugolini Subject: COZY: Brakes I just had a shocking discovery today. I needed to replace one of my Cleveland Master cylinders, and to my surprise I found that Cleveland has raised its prices by over 100% for master cylinder (I didn't check other parts). My $97 cylinder now costs $189. I have switched to MATCO (costs $77 vers $189). If you bought your brakes 3 months ago, you just made a great return on your investment. Moral is: buy your hardware as early as possible. You could save a lot. Nick Ugolini unick@mail.charleston.net Varieze N89RS LongEZ N29TM Cozy Mark IV #0264 by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V5.1-7 #16063) with SMTP id <01IID1L3LN360000VH@SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:37:36 PST Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:39:07 -0800 From: hrogers@SLAC.Stanford.edu (Howard Rogers) Subject: COZY: the demise of Weldtech? Hi, guys. I don't want to do anything to undermine a great business like Weldtech, but if they do, indeed, depart the homebuilder scene, I have a suggestion for at least a partial replacement. I have a friend, hangar-neighbor who is imminently qualified to do this type of work. He managed the service department for one of Cessna's Citation repair facilities for quite some time, before going into business for himself. He is an A&P, an AI, and has an FAA type certificated repair station license for his aircraft welding work, which he does out of his home-based shop. He has been making a living on mostly motor mounts for several years, now, and that include some very sophisticated stuff. He built up a mount for a guy who wanted to put a (if my feeble memory serves--don't quote me on this) Toyta engine in a Lancair IV. He has had plenty of additional contact with the homebuilt world, and is so busy, he probably never will finish the Pitts that hangs from his hangar rafters. I told him what I heard, here, about Weldtech's possible imminent demise, and asked him if he would be interested in picking up some of the slack. He said he certainly would, and would be happy to discuss anyone's needs for custom motor mount work. His prices have been fair, when I have enlisted his help, and his reputation is spotless. Integrity is his middle name, and I can speak from 6 years of personal experience and observation. His name is Steve Loree. If you would like to contact him, just let me know. He isn't on the net yet, but maybe I can convince him it would be a good thing to do, for his business. Howard Rogers, A&P 2005148 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: CozyBldr@aol.com Subject: COZY: Weldtech? I've tried calling Weldtech twice now (509-946-3269) and it just rings. He was staying in business thru May, wasn't he? I'll order an engine mount if I can get in touch with him. Does anyone know the best time to call? Is he still in business? Is the number correct? Am I asking too many questions? Thanks. Paul Stowitts Cozy Mark IV #200 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:34:37 -0700 From: Eric Westland Subject: Re: COZY: Weldtech? At 11:07 AM -0400 5/08/97, CozyBldr@aol.com wrote: >I've tried calling Weldtech twice now (509-946-3269) and it just rings. He >was staying in business thru May, wasn't he? I'll order an engine mount if I >can get in touch with him. > >Does anyone know the best time to call? Is he still in business? Is the >number correct? Am I asking too many questions? > >Thanks. > >Paul Stowitts >Cozy Mark IV #200 Paul, I got my mount in January when Richard was "still in business" and it took me many days to reach him by phone. I can't tell you why, but I'd just keep trying. He does not have a fax or e-mail. -eric Eric Westland Cozy Mark IV - Still sanding Mukilteo, Washington Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 11:21:56 -0500 From: tpierce@ghg.net (Terence J. Pierce) Subject: COZY: Fiberglass cost Trying to build my Cozy for the least amount of money, I have been comparing price between Wicks and AS&S. Wicks could beat them in almost everything. Well, when I placed my order I noticed that the price of fiberglass at Wicks increased alot(I was comparing prices from the 1996 catalog). With the new prices AS&S beats Wicks in the price glass. Here are the old and new prices Wicks(old) Wicks(new) AS&S(old) AS&S(new) uni 4.25 5.04 4.80 4.80 bid 3.90 4.61 4.15 4.35 I thought a 79 cent per yard increase for uni was pretty steep. Just thought I would share this before someone else bought any more glass. Terry Pierce Cozy Mark IV #600 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: DFinn7971@aol.com Subject: Re: COZY: Weldtech? In a message dated 97-05-08 11:12:25 EDT, CozyBldr@aol.com writes: << I've tried calling Weldtech twice now (509-946-3269) and it just rings. He was staying in business thru May, wasn't he? I'll order an engine mount if I can get in touch with him. Does anyone know the best time to call? Is he still in business? Is the number correct? Am I asking too many questions? >> I don't know the best time but I called early one morning. I had a nice conversation with the fellow (I forget the name). He told me that he might stay in business longer if orders started coming in. I don't remember exactly what he said but it was along the lines of he had not received an order for several months. I sent off an order for a Dynafocal Mount for O360 or IO360 for a Cozy mark IV. Cost is $550 plus $20.00 shipping. In checking with him he indicated that the mount would fir any of the above engines. His address is: Weldtech 1925 Terminal Drive Richland, WA 99352 509-946-3269 Dick Finn Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 13:46:18 -0500 From: tpierce@ghg.net (Terence J. Pierce) Subject: [Fwd: Re: COZY: Weldtech?] Message-ID: <3371FA91.2AC1@ghgcorp.com> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 11:08:49 -0500 From: Terry Pierce Reply-To: tpierce@ghgcorp.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Westland Subject: Re: COZY: Weldtech? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Westland wrote: > > At 11:07 AM -0400 5/08/97, CozyBldr@aol.com wrote: > >I've tried calling Weldtech twice now (509-946-3269) and it just rings. He > >was staying in business thru May, wasn't he? I'll order an engine mount if I > >can get in touch with him. > > > >Does anyone know the best time to call? Is he still in business? Is the > >number correct? Am I asking too many questions? > > > >Thanks. > > > >Paul Stowitts > >Cozy Mark IV #200 > > Paul, > > I got my mount in January when Richard was "still in business" and it took > me many days to reach him by phone. I can't tell you why, but I'd just > keep trying. He does not have a fax or e-mail. > > -eric > > Eric Westland > Cozy Mark IV - Still sanding > Mukilteo, Washington Maybe this is why he is going out of business. People probably get tired of trying to get ahold of him an buy elsewhere. He could at least hook up an answering machine. As good as his work sounds I would donate to him my answering machine so he will still be around when I'm ready to buy an engine mount. Terry Pierce Cozy Mark IV #600 Got my supplys in and have my table built. First layup starts tonight. by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-5 #17060) with SMTP id <01IINRGJ5OKO93VTG3@InfoAve.Net> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Fri, 9 May 1997 08:46:16 EST Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 08:43:26 -0400 From: Jeff S Russell Subject: Re: COZY: Weldtech? Organization: AEROCAD INC. DFinn7971@aol.com wrote: > I sent off an order for a Dynafocal Mount for O360 > or IO360 for a Cozy mark IV. Cost is $550 plus $20.00 shipping. In checking > with him he indicated that the mount would fit any of the above engines. Dick, Richard and I worked out the mounts for the AeroCanard and Cozy for the 0-320 to the I0-360's. There was mounts that had to be proofed by me and other builders because of 2 different cowlings with thrust lines at 20 and 21. I have sold for Richard about 20 mounts over the years and I have not had any problems with the mounts fitting what they were going on. The phone has always been a problem but I just send him a check and then the mount is made. As I said in the past, I am working with a Airplane factory that has been in buiss a long time and also has a side line making recumbent bikes. I just purchased one at S-n-F and the workmanship is great. I am giving them ALL my prints for the metal stuff (rudder pedals, engine mounts, controll bearing, retract steps, EZ lifts, canard stuff, nose gear stuff and any other thing I can replace that Brock makes). If Jack Wilhelmson would like to help with drawing on the NG6 that he improved, I would be glad to also get a bid on that part with the rest. If we can get great quality at a lower price? We all win with this. PS. The mounts that I sold from Weldtech are less then you quoted and I don't know why. Check out the web site for the price under completed parts. -- AeroCad Inc. Jeff Russell (Check out our web site for Cozy compatible parts and the AeroCanard) phone/ call first for fax 910-961-2238 E-mail: Jeff@aerocad.com web site with NEW pictures under heavy construction: http://www.aerocad.com Composite workshop info: http://www.Sportair.com Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:08:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: COZY: Rutan CD ROMs Does anyone have the contact information for the company offering the Rutan CD ROMS, the ones with all of the Rutan plans, etc on them. I think it was in the order of $350 or so. Cant find the phone number. Thanks, Steve Eberhart newtech@newtech.com Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:53:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: COZY: Rutan CD ROMs At 13:08 97/5/13 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone have the contact information for the company offering the >Rutan CD ROMS, the ones with all of the Rutan plans, etc on them. I >think it was in the order of $350 or so. Cant find the phone number. > >Thanks, > >Steve Eberhart >newtech@newtech.com > Send check or money order to TERF 11411 Culver Brighton, MI 48116 (810) 229-2082 Price is noted at $325 but that may have been a typo or before a price increase. Ron Subject: COZY: Talked to Weldtech !!! From: resiebert@juno.com (Reid E. Siebert) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:10:24 EDT After many attempted phone calls I finally got to talk to Richard of Weldtech. He apologized for being hard to contact, saying he's been out-of-town a lot lately. I told him of the plight other Cozy builders were having trying to contact him, so he gave me his home phone number, where he could be reached in the evenings. He said it could be put on the internet, and that it has an answering machine attached -- 509-967-5537. To order a mount he told me to send a letter explaining my engine, prop, and accessory configurations. Also include a check for $550 + $20 shipping. Delivery time would be 4-5 weeks, and excess shipping money will be refunded. He also offers bearing kits for new and retrofit installations on the joysticks, and wing points. Ask for his info sheets and price list. I encouraged him to get online, which he will now do. ( I gave him the Cozy Builders Homepage address, so he will soon be contacting you Marc.) The reason he was closing up shop was because orders have been scarce the last year, compared to other years. I explained that for the last year everyone has been waiting on the Franklin decision, so have not bought engines, but since Nat is reinstalling his Lycoming, more engine mount orders should be forthcoming. After that he said, that as long as orders come in, he will continue to build them. I'm writing my order right now! Reid Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: RGCardinal@aol.com Subject: COZY: Weldtech Thanks to all who've been talking up the Weldtech situation. Nice to see that we can all help one another, especially in an area where the very future of a vendor is in question. My mount, ordered early, is stored on my shop wall ( my wife says, like a moose head) and is a very nice piece of craftmanship. Regards Robert Kittler #589 Chapter 5 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:21:24 -0400 (EDT) From: astrong@dvsdghse.com Subject: COZY: Vendor Announcement!! The new expanded Strong Electric Pitch Trim for Canards home page has moved to "www.canard.com/trim" Alex A.Strong Cozy III N306AN astrong@dvsdghse.com STRONG ELECTRIC PITCH TRIM Calico Lk,Yermo,CA. Home page "www.canard.com/trim" From: DFinn7971@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [canard-aviators] Peel Ply Subject: [canard-aviators] [The Canard Aviators's Mailing list] In a message dated 97-05-21 03:15:21 EDT, cherney@clark.net (Rob Cherney) writes: << I get my peel ply from Northern Fiber Glass Sales, Inc. They used to supply the material to Alexander Airplane. From what I remember, they charged me around $2/yard. You can reach them at (603)926-1910. Ask for Ray Miller. >> Thanks for the info. -- I called Ray this morning and ordered 50 yards. I figure I'll split it with a few friends. The fabric store stuff is not as good as the standard peel ply and only slightly less expensive then Norther Fiber Glass, Inc. Ray was quite surprised to be getting business off of the net. He welcomes anyone else who wants to jump in. He took Visa and will ship. Dick Finn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To remove yourself from this list, send email to: majordomo@canard.com and put the following as the very first thing in your message body: unsubscribe canard-aviators you@youremail.com If you have problems, please email support@canard.com For more information visit: http://www.canard.com Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:34:15 +0000 From: Robert Eeg Subject: Re: COZY: Engine Mount DFinn7971@aol.com wrote: > > Hello All, > > Many thanks for the great suggestions on how to prepare/store my engine > mount. The suggestions boil down into a couple of major items: > > 1. Powder coat the mount > 2. Paint it white (or some light color) to ease finding any cracks, > 3. Pour boiled linseed oil inside the tubes to coat the inside of the mount. > 4. Wrap the mount (with some desicant) in plastic wrap (Saran Wrap). > > In looking at the mount from Weldtech I noted a hole in each tube that has > been plugged. I suspect that this hole was used for oil to coat the inside > of the tube but I plan to follow up with Weldtech to confirm this. I'll let > you all know the results. > > My plans are to powder coat the mount in some light color (white??) and wrap > it in Saran Wrap with some desicant. > > Now the problem -- I have made calls to several automotive dealerships and > one paint shop but no one knows anything about powder coating. Even though > this seems to be a specialty process I'm sure someone in a city the size of > Chicago must do the work. Can anyone give me a hint as to how to find a > vendor. What would I look under in the Yellow Pages (I've tried Painting > Contractors). Is there some industry that would use the process? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Many Thanks, > Dick Finn Cozy Mark IV #46 > DFINN7971@AOL.COM Dick In my area in southern California the Powder Coaters are in the yellow pages under "Coatings-Protective" You might try the yellow pages on your computer under WhoWhere.com good luck Bob Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:42:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Bill Jackson Subject: COZY: powder coating Re: Dick Finn's post I found several powder coat applicators on the net. Try http://www.magicnet.net/hog/powder.html to get general info on EnviroTech Coating Systems, Inc. out of Eau Claire, WI They have a web page at http://discover.discover-net.net/~enviro/ They claim to do custom work. There are probably others in the Chicago Metro Area. We had an old cast iron bed frame sand blasted and powder-coated by a local company several years ago but I don't remember the name. Bill Jackson w-jackson@cecer.army.mil (pre-builder still dreaming) From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: COZY: Engine Mount (fwd) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 12:43:55 EDT Dick Finn wrote: >Now the problem -- I have made calls to several automotive dealerships and >one paint shop but no one knows anything about powder coating. Call custom motorcycle shops. Lots of motorheads powder coat their frames. I would have, if it had been cheaper in 1980 when I epoxy (IMRON) painted it instead :-). Check out: http://www.raysplace.com/ and: http://www.powdercoat.com/html/tristar/tristar.htm These may give you some leads in the Chicago area. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-7 #17060) with SMTP id <01IJPIKKI8OC9EKXUH@InfoAve.Net> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:21:32 EST Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 09:21:39 -0400 From: Jeff S Russell Subject: COZY: Vender post Organization: AEROCAD INC. We have added a new product that will give the end user less time in finishing. The R1145MS straight canard has now been added to the molded list with the same price as the dihedral canard that is molded. The mold was pulled off my canard that had approx. 100 hours total time on the part and then was replaced with the new bent canard. Both the straight and bent are pressure laminated solid core canards with a top skin that is in epoxy primer. Check out the web site for pricing. What we have in work from now and after Oshkosh is the trial of a aerodynamic elevator trim called a sparrow strainer that is used on the Velocity's and the Q-type airplanes. This is a small airfoil that is mounted on the right elevator that is mounted upside down to counter the upsetting elevators in rough air. I don't think this has been tried on the Long-EZ or the Cozy Airplanes yet. After Oshkosh I will be installing down draft cooling via Velocity parts that are molded for the wide deck IO-360 engines. This means that I will take almost all the metal baffling around the engine. No more metal on metal! Why do I want to change this baffling that has work fine for 3 years now??? It took me about 40 to 50 man hours and a metal brake to make the stuff. I have my cylinder probes on the bottom where they will ONLY mount to check CHT. This is a false reading when the top of our cylinders are the hottest. With the down draft cooling, the bottom will become the hottest unless I am not moving with no airflow in the cowling. This will be a learning curve to see how things evenly cool and how ground cooling will be affected. We will see, any thoughts? Also I have been paying for the composite class to people that give us a 20% deposit on the AeroCanard FG, SB and RG models (kits less raw material) so that the learning curve will be taken mostly out of the airplane building. Purchasers will have to provide their own transportation and lodging to class. -- Jeff Russell/AeroCad Inc. E-mail: Jeff@aerocad.com Phone/ fax (call first): 910-961-2238 AeroCad: http://www.aerocad.com Composite workshop info: http://www.Sportair.com Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:27:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: COZY: AC 4313-1A from GPO Apparently this document is not available right now. This from the GPO web site (URL as follows) http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/sale/prf/prf.html Insert AC 4313-1A for the following PRF Online Via GPO Access Title: Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices: Aircraft Inspection and Repair Stock Number: 050-007-00806-6 Availability: being reprinted / no stock whse or retail / priced ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Price: $23.00 Price (non-U.S.): $28.75 Description: AC 43.13-1A. Advisory Circular 43.13-1A. Looseleaf for updating. This consolidated reprint incorporates Changes 1-3. Contains methods, techniques, and practices acceptable to the Administrator for inspection and repair to civil aircraft. Item 431-F-7. Ron Lee Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 08:35:15 -0500 From: Darren DeLoach Subject: Re: COZY: AC 4313-1A (Vendor Advertisement) I can get these as an ASA reprint for anyone who wants it (I bought one for myself based on Howard's previous recommendations). List price is 18.95 as a softcover, bound book; our normal price is $16.10. If you email me at ddeloach@texoma.net or ddeloach@msn.com and tell me you're on the Cozy list, I'll sell it for $15.00 plus 2.25 shipping book rate or $3 USPS Priority mail. Since I don't normally stock this title, I'll likely see how many folks are interested and do a single order to save on my shipping cost; which means I probably won't ship your book until next week, after I know how many people are interested. -- Darren (who generally avoids commercial posts, but this book title has come up on threads more than once...) -- Darren DeLoach Sales & Software http://www.deloach.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:37:59 -0400 From: INFINITY Aerospace Subject: COZY: Seat Belts Hi Larry and All, Checkout: Aircraft Belts, Inc. P.O. Box 845 Kemah, TX 77565 (800) 847-5651 (281) 538-1284 FAX - 2225 Infinity's Forever, JD From: Howard Calk Subject: COZY: Nose Gear Ratchet Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:32:59 -0400 I talked to Curtis Smith via email last week. Sadly he is out of business due to lack of interest. Howard Calk Long EZ Builder PS Marc Z. you may want to remove him from your distributor list. -----Original Message----- From: David R. Kuechenmeister [SMTP:David.Kuechenmeister@gtri.gatech.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 3:33 PM To: canard-aviators Subject: [canard-aviators] [The Canard Aviators's Mailing list] I wondered if anyone had recently ordered one of the ratchet kits from Curt Smith. l had heard that he considered dropping production of the kit. I was curious where the ratchet actually attached. Is it on the crank that runs through the instrument panel, or in the worm drive box? Thanks, Dave -- David R. Kuechenmeister Long-EZ #779 (770)528-7738 Atlanta, Georgia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To remove yourself from this list, send email to: majordomo@canard.com and put the following as the very first thing in your message body: unsubscribe canard-aviators you@youremail.com If you have problems, please email support@canard.com For more information visit: http://www.canard.com by m5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WeL23133; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:14:36 EDT Subject: COZY: Long Lead Components From: mbeduhn@juno.com (Mark W Beduhn) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:14:36 EDT Hi everyone! Up to now I have been fairly good at ordering critical long lead components in time to prevent delaying my project. However, I just got burned when ordering a VM-1000 engine monitoring system. Since it is $3000, I wanted to delay the order to the last minute, install it, and then fire up my engine. I got a rude suprise when I found out that the unit has an 8-10 week lead time!!! Needless to say my plane will not be flying in July as I had planned. For the benifit of those who have not bought some of their critical components yet, I am listing some of the delivery times that I have seen: Performance 3 blade prop: 12 weeks (worth the wait) Engine mount : 8 weeks Rocky Mountain Instruments - micro encoder kit: 2 weeks Main landing gear: 4 weeks Radios: 3 weeks Canopy: 4 weeks Prop extension : 1 week (I think I got lucky on this one) Cowling: 3 weeks Light Speed electronic ignition system: 4 weeks Navaid wing leveler: 12 weeks Good deal on an O-360 engine : Good Luck! That's all I remember off the top of my head. Keep in mind that this was my experience, and your times may be longer or shorter depending upon what the manufacturer's have in stock. Mark Beduhn Cozy MK 4 N494CZ 1st flight delayed until September Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:32:15 -0800 From: Eric Westland Subject: Re: COZY: Long Lead Components Richard Riley wrote: > > Terra (by Trimble) TRT 250 D Transponder 10 months. > Is this "the one to get" and worth the wait? Thanks, Eric Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: SWrightFLY@aol.com Subject: Re: COZY: Long Lead Components Nose Lift orders are backed up also. If someone orders now the delivery time will be 6 to 10 weeks. Steve Wright Wright Aircraft Works Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 01:55:45 -0700 From: Wayne Lanza <"wlanza@iu.net@wlanza"@iu.net> Subject: Re: COZY: Long Lead Components Last week or so... Mark Beduhn noted the long lead times on several components that are required for our aircraft projects. While I agree that the lead times can be excessive, as a manufacturer of various components I'd like to offer some considerations. Alot of the custom or semi-custom parts required to complete our planes represent very low volume sales and can be expensive to manufacture and stock. Take a main landing gear for example, there is considerable expense in fibre & resin (not to mention the labor & tooling costs) in each gear built. Yeah I know, we're paying for it... but the guy building the parts needs to stay in business too! Mark brings up an important issue, we need to know through research and common support (i.e. this news letter) the lead times for required supplies to complete our projects. If you can't order in advance to assure that the parts will be on hand when you need them, or work something out with the supplier, then be prepared to wait a little... Now a note from your speed brake supplier ;-] ... I don't like to use this forum as a means to get sales, but have been encouraged to comment on issues reagrding my products. I am getting ready to build up another batch of speed brake kits. To keep costs down, I need to buy 10 actuators at a time (or raise the kit price). So far I've got three builders committed to buying kits, if I can get a few more, I'll order the actuators and should be able to deliver 4 weeks after then. Let me know via email or phone ASAP, the kits are $275.00 prepaid including domestic shipping. Take Care & Safe Flying, Wayne Lanza (561) 664-8953 or 664-9239 EST (eves before 9pm) From: SBLANKDDS@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: COZY: Re: Speed Brake kit Regarding Wayne's speed brake kit.... I have one and I am in the process of preparing the Brake and installing the parts from Wayne. They appear to be very well constructed and the fiberglass bracket that Wayne supplies shows good workmanship. If you are even close to this step, order now to help keep the cost down for you and the other builders. This keeps each of us from having to "re-invent the wheel" each time we get to a step that someone else has engineered a clever solution to!!! Keep on building....Support the talented helpers out there.... Steve Blank Cozy Mark IV #36 sblankdds@aol.com My cozy web page -----> Cozy Mark IV From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: Re:COZY: Brake lines/Swagelok fittings (fwd) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 10:51:35 EDT Phillip Johnson wrote: > ......... Most large cities carry suppliers > even up here in Canada. If anyone is stuck I'll get the address from > home and post it they will then give you the local supplier. For Swagelok, check: www.swagelok.com You can put in your zip code or state (sorry, people out of the US :-( ) and get the distributor nearest you. You can also request information on their products. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 23:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mr. Radon" Subject: COZY: Ferrite torroids for the coax I've tried to call RST for two days now and no answer. Have they moved? All I need are the torroids (sp?) for the NAV coax, where can I get these, any old one will do? ROY From: "mel" Subject: Re: COZY: Ferrite torroids for the coax Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:24:55 -0400 toroids are available at most ham radio shops. if they dont have them they can get them or tell you where to get them in the city norm cozy IV #202 ---------- > From: Mr. Radon > To: cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com > Subject: COZY: Ferrite torroids for the coax > Date: Friday, July 18, 1997 2:15 AM > > I've tried to call RST for two days now and no answer. Have they moved? > All I need are the torroids (sp?) for the NAV coax, where can I get these, > any old one will do? > ROY From: 102503.1561@compuserve.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:34:10 -0400 Subject: COZY: Ferrite torroids for the coax Message text written by "Mr. Radon" >Reply-To: "Mr. Radon" I've tried to call RST for two days now and no answer. Have they moved= ? All I need are the torroids (sp?) for the NAV coax, where can I get these= , any old one will do? ROY < Jim Weir has probably left for Oshkosh by now (just a guess) but if all y= ou need is a couple I can send them to you I bought a large stash last time.= You might check his web page = www.rst-eng.com = it might have news of his whereabouts! Rick Roberts From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: COZY: Ferrite torroids for the coax (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 9:45:45 EDT Roy Grossinger writes: > I've tried to call RST for two days now and no answer. Have they moved? Don't think so - check their web pages at: www.rst-engr.com Jim Weir's probably busy. >All I need are the torroids (sp?) for the NAV coax, where can I get these, >any old one will do? You can get the toroids (and a whole antennae kit) from Aircraft Spruce. Look on the antennae page(s) in their catalog - that's where I got mine. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:47:15 -0700 From: Michael Antares Subject: Re: COZY: Re: How stupid am I? At 05:06 PM 7/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Fellow builders, Help! > >I am trying to order the wood for Chapter 5 for Cozy Mark IV from A/C >Spruce. The sales person is looking at me like I'm stupid. She has >faxed me the catalogue for the wood but I can't match up that which the >plans call for and that which A/C Spruce has. > >What is the problem here? > Tongue in cheek I might answer that your biggest problem is you're not ordering from Wicks! 6077 Old Redwood Highway Penngrove CA 94951 707.792.7971 Cozy#413 Finished through chap 14 except chap 13. Chaps 16 & 24 mostly finished. Now on chap 20. One wing/winglet finished, working on second. Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: rfisher@spacetech.com Subject: Re: COZY: Re: How stupid am I? On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, "Calvin N. Hobbs" wrote: >Fellow builders, Help! > >I am trying to order the wood for Chapter 5 for Cozy Mark IV from A/C >Spruce. The sales person is looking at me like I'm stupid. She has >faxed me the catalogue for the wood but I can't match up that which the >plans call for and that which A/C Spruce has. > >What is the problem here? > > Calvin Calvin, Last year at Oshkosh I was told that AS&S had material "kits" for the Cozy. I requested one and was sent a list of kits by material type, NOT BY CHAPTER. In other words, you could buy a kit of all the fiberglass cloth, or all the wood, or all the foam, etc. Not very helpful. Get a Wicks catalog. Their Cozy kits are put together by chapter with everything except the epoxy and their prices are comperable. See ya, Russ Fisher Leaving for Oshkosh on Monday -- yea! Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 21:21:49 -0700 (MST) From: "Dr. Doug Ashby" Subject: COZY: Prof. builders assistance TO BUILDERS: I thought there might be an interest in a service available from a fellow who offers onsite professional builders assistance. One of our builders in Arizona, Gene Davis, a close friend of Nat's who is in the finishing, painting stages of his project has had help from: Craig Hamm, Composite Concepts P.O. Box 3785 Apache Junction, Arizona 85217 Voice mail (602) 209-5879 Gene was having some epoxy skin sensitivity / allergies and has recently had Craig help him in the finishing prep before painting. Craig has the following credentials listed on a brochure: COMPOSITE CONCEPTS * Bachelor of Science in Engineering, Ohio University, Airway Sciences * Associate Studies Degree in Aviation * CFI, II, MEI PROFESSIONAL BUILDER ASSISTANCE FIBERGLASS REPAIR PROTOTYPE EXPERIENCED IN: Glasair I, II, III, Allison 250-III E.D.I. Express (4 Place) Lancair 320 Europa / Subaru Long-EZ Cozy Mark IV Kitfox V / Subaru Gene Davis says, Craig is currently helping a Cozy builder in Santa Fe, NM who is building a 3 place Cozy. This particular builder is handicapped with the use of only one arm and leg. (We can count our blessings) If interested in Craig's work, you can call Gene at (602) 671-7355. Doug Ashby Mark IV #435 Chapter 13+, Installing a nifty set of nose wheel doors with my electric NOZY lift. by x14.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id NmH03866; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:36:15 EDT Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:34:48 -0400 Subject: COZY: Wicks phone # From: gmellen@juno.com (George J Mellen Jr.) >Is anybody at Oshkosh who could get me the fax and phone number for the >folks in the Wicks booth? My past experience was that Wicks would honor any show discounts through their regular 800 number. BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR IT....... George Mellen gmellen@juno.com. Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:19:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Bill Jackson Subject: COZY: Brock Mfg. Just found a web page for Ken Brock with lost of Cozy related items. Maybe most of you know about but just in case: http://www.kenbrockmfg.com/cozy.html Bill Jackson jackson@sierra.cecer.army.mil From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: COZY: Brock Mfg. (fwd) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 18:10:31 EDT Bill Jackson wrote: >http://www.kenbrockmfg.com/cozy.html Actually, it's: http://www.kenbrockmfg.com/cozy.htm (Note the missing "l" at the end). Another is: http://www.kenbrockmfg.com/cozy4.htm Basically, they've scanned the pages of their catalog and put them on the web. Works, but it's dog slow (large graphics) if you've got a modem (heck, even through a T1 line, it's slow). These are lazy person's web pages - gotta _SWEAT_ to make good, fast web stuff! :-). You can also send them email at: sales@kenbrockmfg.com Since they don't take credit cards, I don't think you can order by email, yet - all it says is "contact us". I've updated the COZY "suppliers" web page at: http://www.ultranet.com/~marcz/cozy_mkIV/newsletters/suppliers.html to point to Brock's web page. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com From: "Steve Campbell" Subject: COZY: How's your epoxy supply? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:48:04 Just a cheery bit of news from Wick's. Since UPS is on strike, they are unable to ship epoxy except by air freight, which starts at $80 per shipment. Steve From: astrong@dvsdghse.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:08:37 Subject: COZY: Vendor announcement! The STRONG ELECTRIC PITCH TRIM,has been upgraded with a 12VDC motor.All users have been sent upgrade kits at no charge.Price remains at $175.00 for the near future. Alex Strong A.R.Strong STRONG ELECTRIC PITCH TRIM homepage http://www.canard.com/trim by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IMHCU11XE890SDD4@InfoAve.Net> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:36:34 EDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:30:35 -0400 From: Jeff S Russell Subject: Re: COZY: How's your epoxy supply? Organization: AEROCAD INC. Steve Campbell wrote: > > Just a cheery bit of news from Wick's. Since UPS is on strike, they are > unable to ship epoxy except by air freight, which starts at $80 per > shipment. We also will not ship resin until the UPS strike is over. Sorry -- Jeff Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:08:35 -0700 From: Jim Cullen Subject: COZY: Weld-Tech Report I just had a very pleasant conversation with Richard's wife this morning. She confirmed that phone calls to their home are still OK ((509) 967-5537; the shop is (509) 946-3269). Richard is apparently doing very well, is still in business, still making parts, and has every intention to continue doing so, according to her. Their most recent address is: #133, 7000 West Van Giesen, West Richland, WA 99353. However, they will be moving (again, sigh!) in about a week. Hopefully, mail will be forwarded until we can find out their new address. I have a letter out to Richard asking the current price for Mark IV engine mounts. The old price was $550 plys about $20.00 postage. When I hear back from him, I'll post any changes to the group. Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:31:03 -0700 From: Marcna Subject: COZY: WeldTech I have been trying to get hold of Weld-Tech for over six months to order my motor mount. Does anyone have a time or way to get hold of them. Marc Parmelee N425CZ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 21:19:36 -0400 From: Neil Clayton Subject: Grainger Marc...you refer often to the Grainger cat. But they tell me they won't sell to private buyers/retail - just companies/wholesale. How did you overcome their restriction? Thx N From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: COZY: Re: Grainger Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 10:20:54 EDT Neil Clayton asks; >Marc...you refer often to the Grainger cat. But they tell me they won't >sell to private buyers/retail - just companies/wholesale. > >How did you overcome their restriction? About 15 years ago I worked for myself and called myself "Burnside Aerospace". When I order, I give them that name - not mine. Just give them some company name ("Notyalc Aircraft Co." sounds nice, and is unlikely to be taken already :-) ) and pay with your credit card on the phone or a personal check when they send you the invoice. You can set up a web account and purchase over the web, although you then have to pay by check rather than credit card. I think McMaster-Carr works about the same way - they just want some company name to hang on the order. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:21:59 -0500 From: Bulent Subject: Re: COZY: Xponder locations For your antenna needs you should call Bob Archer at sport craft antennas at (310) 316-8796 he has a excellent line of antennas specially designed for composite aircraft. Good Luck! Bulent Cozy Mk-IV Wide body Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:23:33 -0700 From: Marcna Subject: COZY: WeldTech I just got off the phone with Richard of Weld-Tech. He has a new phone # (509)375-1307. Current price of engine mount is $520 plus $20 for shipping. Marc Parmelee N425CZ by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IN7Z0EYPPE90AZBZ@InfoAve.Net> for cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:52:15 EDT Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:52:33 -0400 From: Jeff S Russell Subject: COZY: making the move to florida Organization: AEROCAD INC. We just went under contract tonight on our property. Hope to be in Florida by Oct. 31. Keep you guys posted. We should only be down for 2-1/2 weeks on making parts at the end of Oct. -- Jeff Russell/AeroCad Inc. E-mail: Jeff@aerocad.com Phone/ fax (call first): 910-961-2238 AeroCad: http://www.aerocad.com Composite workshop info: http://www.Sportair.com Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:28:46 -0400 From: bil kleb Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Subject: Re: COZY: Re: Grainger Marc J. Zeitlin wrote: > > I think McMaster-Carr works about the same way - they just want some > company name to hang on the order. i couldn't even get a catalog from mcmaster-carr: they sent a letter explaining that their catalogs are already allocated to other companies with no explanation of how one can acquire the mysterious "allocation" status. :( (i had used a company name) -- bil Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:53:31 -0500 From: Paul Comte Subject: COZY: Re: Grainger Customer Feedback When I needed to order some new tech benchs and shelving I tried to order a catalog. This is the response from Grainger. Send in that address! (not to me, send it to Carrie) Paul Comte, A Plus Computer Service, LLC. Milwaukee, WI Customer.Feedback@grainger.com wrote: > > Dear Mr. Comte: > > Thank you for your interest in Grainger! I apologize if our catalog request > form caused you any inconvenience. Our intention is to make getting a > catalog easier, not harder. ;-) > > Just so you are aware, we do NOT require an account number for our paper > catalog to be sent. However, our CD-ROM Catalog provides pricing specific to > your Grainger account, and we must have your account number to fulfill CD > requests. The only reason the account number field is on our form is for > those customers who would like a CD and have a current account with us. > > Now that's said, let's get you a catalog. At your earliest convenience, > please forward your physical street address. Upon receipt of your email, I > will see to it that a catalog is mailed to you immediately. While you're > waiting for your catalog to arrive, feel free to enter the Online Catalog in > "Browse Mode", and use our search engine to find the shelving units you need. > > If you would like to establish an account with us, simply call or stop by > your local Grainger store and any of our employees will be happy to assist > you. (The Store Locator on our Web site will help you identify the location > nearest you.) Once you have your account number, you will also be able to > register for online ordering with grainger.com. > > If you have any additional questions or concerns, please let me know. Also, > don't forget to send your address. > > I look forward to hearing from you soon! > > Carrie Everding > Internet Postmaster > grainger.com > ------------------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )-------------------- > Date: Mon Aug 25 16:56:01 1997 > To: feedback > From: pcomte@grainger.com > Subject: Customer Feedback > > Company Name: A Plus Computer Service, LLC > Company Email: pcomte@tcccom.netq > Name: Paul Comte > Account: > Phone: 414-456-9700 > Fax: 414-456-9701 > I don't have an account number yet. How can I get an account number if I can't get a catalog? > > I need to order several rivet lock shelving units and a couple of tech benchs right away.... Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:55:13 +0200 From: Jean-Jacques CLAUS Subject: COZY: Wick Aircraft e-mail ? Hi to all, The french connection of Wicks is out of business. I found a web page with a wick's catalog picture but nothing about a wick's site. Does anyone knows if "Wicks Aircraft Supply" have an e-mail adress ? Thanks for your reply, Jean-Jacques CLAUS Aix-en-Provence - FRANCE Cozy Classic #CC1056 Starting canard Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:17:49 -0400 From: Tom Teek Subject: COZY: Chin Tires Greetings I recall reading that there is a place in Calif where these tires are about half the price as Wicks's. Does anyone remember. Thanks Tom LE58AT From: Marc Zeitlin Date: Mon, 8 Sep 97 9:18:45 EDT Subject: Re: COZY: Wick Aircraft e-mail ? Jean-Jacques CLAUS wrote; >Does anyone knows if "Wicks Aircraft Supply" have an e-mail adress ? At the moment, they do not have one. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com From: John Ellor Subject: COZY: COZY : Ordering small quantities Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:01:36 -0400 Hi all. I recently needed a small piece of 2024-T3 1/8" aluminum sheet for the = canopy hinge mount. Called Aircraft Spruce and was told the minimum buy = is 2'x2' at $50+ or so. Called Wicks and was told their minimum is = 1'x1' and they would also cut that into two pieces for my convenience. Similarly Wicks will sell canopy hinge by the inch (e.g. I wanted a 10" = chunk), Aircraft Spruce would only sell 3 ft at a time. I deal with both places, but sometimes one is better than the other, - = pays to check. John Ellor=09 Cozy III in South Jersey From: "mel" Subject: Re: COZY: COZY : Ordering small quantities Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:54:45 -0400 about small sizes of al tube rod flat stock or whatever look in the yellow pages under metals most cities have distributers where you can get small pieces, i just about finished building my reduction drive, and all stock came about locally and at a better price norm & monda cozy IV #202 ---------- From: John Ellor To: 'COZY_BUILDERS@hpwarhw.an.hp.com' Subject: COZY: COZY : Ordering small quantities Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 5:01 PM Hi all. I recently needed a small piece of 2024-T3 1/8" aluminum sheet for the canopy hinge mount. Called Aircraft Spruce and was told the minimum buy is 2'x2' at $50+ or so. Called Wicks and was told their minimum is 1'x1' and they would also cut that into two pieces for my convenience. Similarly Wicks will sell canopy hinge by the inch (e.g. I wanted a 10" chunk), Aircraft Spruce would only sell 3 ft at a time. I deal with both places, but sometimes one is better than the other, - pays to check. John Ellor Cozy III in South Jersey ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 08:13:00 PDT From: Brian DeFord Subject: COZY: EPOXY - Anyone have any experience with System 2000? I just received my latest catalog from Fibre Glast and they are advertising a new epoxy system called System 2000. Looks like an excellent alternative to the typical epoxies used on our projects. They even show a chart comparing the physical properties of System 2000 vs Saf-T-Poxy, Epolite, EZ Poxy RAE and ProSet. In almost all catagories it surpasses each of these (remember that this is a Fibre Glast epoxy so they may be biased :)) Anyway, the Resin comes in quart, gallon and 5 gallon sizes priced $24.95, $59.95 and $219.95 respectively. The hardeners come in 20, 60 and 120 minute working times and are priced $9.95, $19.95 and $64.95 for 1/2 pint, quart and gallon sizes respectively. Mix ratios are 3:1 by volume (100:27 by weight) for the 60 and 120 minute mixes. I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has used this system (it may be too new for anyone, but maybe some of you movers and shakers out there have a jump on this already). If you aren't familiar with Fibre Glast, they are an Ohio based company dealing exclusively with fiberglass products. They can be reached at 1-800-821-3283 and have a WEB site at www.fibreglast.com which I highly recommend for many of the "how to.." articles they publish. Brian DeFord From: SWrightFLY@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re: COZY: re: inexp elect noselift addendum Inexpensive and noselift is an oxy moron :-). I had as an objective two years ago to manufacture and offer to builders a nose lift for $450.00. BOY was I wrong! I am presently considering offering a complete metal kit for the Cozy and other canard aircraft. I feel we need more than one supplier. I am concerned, however, that the demand may not justify the expensive tooling. This may not be the forum for this question but what do you folks think about this? Steve Wright Wright Aircraft Works LLC Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:17:48 -0400 From: "Calvin N. Hobbs" Organization: First Church of Yoda, Master of Jedi Knighthood, Inc. Subject: COZY: Wick's I ordered ALL the materials for my Mk IV from wicks and I just finished three weeks of checking in all my stuff. How do they do it? It's all there. A truly pleasent experience ordering from them. Janet is wonderful. Calvin- soon to be smelling that dust and epoxy. From: "Boykin Ed (C)" Subject: COZY: Brock's stuff Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:40:26 -0400 Is there a list available somewhere that lists ALL prefab stuff that Brock can supply? The Brock web site has what looks like two scanned catalog pages but they definitely don't list everything he has. I was thinking about buying all the prefab metal stuff in one fell swoop and wanted to be sure I got everything.... Ed Boykin From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: COZY: Brock's stuff (fwd) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 16:01:19 EDT Ed Boykin wrote: >Is there a list available somewhere that lists ALL prefab stuff that >Brock can supply? Other than their catalog? No. >....... The Brock web site has what looks like two scanned >catalog pages but they definitely don't list everything he has. Clearly. Get the catalog - $5, if I remember correctly. Get the Wicks and Aircraft Spruce Catalogs as well - you'll need them all. >.... I was >thinking about buying all the prefab metal stuff in one fell swoop and >wanted to be sure I got everything.... Not a bad idea, considering the way their prices go up each year. Make a list from the plans (you can use the spreadsheet I've got on the web as well). -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:17:38 -0400 From: Bill Theeringer Subject: COZY: Ratchet Source To all who have been wondering; I have agreed, effective October 1, to take on the job of producing the nose gear ratchets that have been supplied by Curt Smith. The job kind o= f over whelmed him, and I am hoping that it does not do the same to us! I have orders for some where around 25 outstanding right now and am tooling= up to do an initial run of about 50. Price has not yet been established = as the cost of material, machining, etc. has not been firmed up. Please bear= with us. If you do not hear much from this end very often it is because = we are WORKING around the clock :) = Electric heater guys...we are still projecting between 6 and eight weeks lead time. Of note: We have designed a 24 volt 1200 watt (50 AMP) heater for a speci= al high altitude project, and also have designed and produced a 12 to 24 vol= t dc to dc converter. Output is plus/minus .050 volts over an input range = of 9-18 volts. Other goodies are on the drawing board all the time. = Regards Bill Theeringer N29EZ Composite Aircraft Accessories PO Box 21645 Santa Barbara, CA 93121 805-964-5453 http://www.flash.net/~infaero/acgear.gif (my plane that I used to fly eve= ry day) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:17:01 -0700 From: Stetson Elliott Subject: Re: COZY: Wing incidence/Flying in primer Lee Devlin wrote: > I don't know the answer to this, but here is Mike Melvill's advice > from > one of the Canard Pushers regarding straightness. It indicates that a > > lot of planes require tweaking during the test flight period. It's a > little lengthy but important enough that I think it deserves to be > posted in its entirety to the group. I got it from Stet Elliot's > electronic CP's which I highly recommend. The Canard Pusher Newsletters are still available on disk (CPs 1-82) for $45.00. Email me privately for details. -- Stet Elliott flyez@earthlink.net Long-EZ N321EF From: ponciroli@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:09:40 -0500 Subject: COZY: Weld Tech Dynafocal Engine Mount Greetings - The purpose of this post is to inform the group that I ordered the subject mount and received it in a timely manner. I have been in the ship building business for some years (submarines) and can recognize good workmanship and welding when I see it. I have to say that the WeldTech mount is well built. However, Weldtech is not a Puffer approved supplier. The mount cost about $80.00 less than you can expect to get it from Brock Manufacturing. I paid $540 which included freight. If anyone is interested, the person to call is Richard Lauzon @ (509) 375-1307, his address is 1925 Terminal Drive Richland WA 99352. From: armanvar@prtc.net (armanvar) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:21:01 -0500 In re to Weld Tech engine mounts I just talked to Mr Richard Lauzon and he told me he will be taking orders for our mounts, after some health problems, which are surmounted. Tel No is 509-946-3269 and this is at Richland, WA. Available after 30 oct. Shipping would be 2/3 weeks after order. Armando Vargas armanvar@prtc.net Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:07:22 -0500 From: Tom Teek Subject: Re: COZY: Navaid( wing leveler) Address for Navaid is\ Navaid Devices,inc 641 North Market Street Chattanooga,Tn 37405 Phone 423-267-3311 Fax 423-756-6154 I highly recommend the product and their service. Tom LE N58AT Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:24:24 -0800 From: "LCDR James D. Newman" Organization: INFINITY Aerospace - http://www.flash.net/~infaero Subject: COZY: Re: Epoxy systems Hi Russ and All, >I use Aeropoxy and was told that they wouldn't sell direct to the public.< They stop in here once in a while and I thought they told me they do sell to the public. I thought this was odd so I called them. Just talked with Scot Stettler of PTM & W [(800) 421-1518] and they will sell to the public - someone their must have miss-spoke. They just prefer customers to use their dealers, and you will get a better price from the dealers. HTH. Infinity's Forever, JD From: N11TE@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:07:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: COZY: Jeff Russell As most know, Jeff Russell has been the process of a move to Florida. His telephone is now up and running at 561-460-8020. Despite all plans, BellSouth screwed it up and this line has only been in operation a couple of days. So he was unable to get a new web server hooked up and therefore does not have a new E-mail address yet. He will post his new address here as soon as possible. Until then, suggest the above telephone number. Tom Ellis N11TE@aol.com Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:37:14 -0500 From: "Jeff S. Russell (www.aerocad.com)" Organization: AeroCad Inc. Subject: COZY: Good to be back on line My main hard drive quit spinning about a week before I moved to Florida and it has taken me until now to get up again. We are almost set up in the new hanger and will be sending parts out next week. Sorry for the delay. -- Jeff Russell/AeroCad Inc. E-mail: Jeff@aerocad.com P.O. Box 7307 Port St. Lucie FL. 34985 Shop# 561-460-8020 Home# 561-343-7366 Composite workshop info: http://www.Sportair.com From: SBLANKDDS@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:53:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: COZY: COZY - Metal Parts I am not a machinist, so is there anyone out there that is modifying the "Boston Gear" or making other metal parts (beside Brock). I would like to see some competition in this field, and would gladly do business with a builder that offers an alternate to the monopoly, with all the improvements considered. Beside the price issue, the quality seems to be marginal at times. Anyone interested? If you have desire, I will help create a web page catalog... Steve Blank Cozy Mark IV #36....... sanding the bottom of fuse... Port St. Lucie, FL 75 degrees F :) web ----> My Cozy Mar k IV Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 11:02:37 -0500 From: David Domeier Subject: Re: COZY: COZY - Metal Parts Steve, re "I would like to see some competition in this field, and would gladly do business with a builder that offers an alternate to the monopoly, with all the improvements considered. Beside the price issue, the quality seems to be marginal at times." In defense of Ken Brock, I must submit I have been using his stuff since 1980 when I built a Long EZ nad now the MKIV, and have concluded the Brock source for metal parts could be worse. We have 2 choices with regard to these parts - build them ourselves or have someone else do it. The first choice I have considered and discarded because I do not want to invest in the equipment and tools required to do it right, and the second choice is also no good because I have gone to a machine shop with a drawing and the price was much more than what Brock charges. The set up charges alone are prohibitive. I, for one, am glad there is a source for these parts, although sometimes the product is not perfect. I had some problem with the control system inserts not fitting properly, but these were easily fixed. Many EZ pilots, including myself, have stripped out the retraction gear, but only because we were operating it outside of it's design envelope. If the mechanism is fully extended and resting on the over center stop, it will not strip out. The gear was never intended to work any other way. And if one changes to bronze, there still is the possibility of stripping the worm gear. It will never work to raise and lower the aircraft without picking up the canard even with the bronze gear. Doing business in California is no simple task, whatwith local, state and federal taxes, social security, fringe benefits for employees, equipment investment, set up costs, etc., I feel some empathy toward Ken and Marie Brock. Sometimes I wonder why they stay in business with all the people bitching about them. I for one have been satisfied and if I haven't been, they've made it right. Just my 2 cents worth. dd From: SWrightFLY@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 17:31:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Re: COZY: COZY - Metal Parts In a message dated 11/9/97 1:49:44 PM, david010@earthlink.net wrote: <> I have been in the "business" now for 13 years (the NOZE-LIFT business for 2 years) and I feel Ken does a good job overall. I recently did a manufacturing cost analysis with the intention of making parts to compete with Ken and I cannot make them any cheaper and improve the quality. The only way to do it is to set up an "offshore operation. If I don't do it, someone else will. I am still doing research on this issue. I'll make a decision in mid '98. Steve Wright Wright Aircraft Works LLC Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:40:27 -0500 From: Paul Burkhardt Subject: COZY: Re:metal parts >I would like to see some competition in this field, and would gladly do business with a builder that offers an alternate to the monopoly, with all the improvements considered. Beside the price issue, the quality seems to be marginal at times. I thought I remember seeing someone post that he was going to make some of the smaller parts. I for one and looking for the small knobs that Brock makes...( the aluminium ones for the throttle quardrant) Paul Burkhardt Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:10:12 -0500 From: David Domeier Subject: Re: COZY: re: What I learned about real IFR today . . . Ed, The latest address I have: Navaid Devices, Inc. 641 N. Market Street Chattanooga, TN 37405 (615-267-3311) The heart of the system is an electric gyro, 14v or 28v, and works well as you can tell by the responses concerning it. The guy who developed it was killed a year or so ago in a plane crash, but I think someone else has continued it's developement and marketing. That person may well be Jeff Rose, but I do not know for sure. I'm sure there are guys on the forum who have more info on this subject than do I and will provide it. dd Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:32:20 -0500 From: David Domeier Subject: Re: COZY: re: What I learned about real IFR today . . . Ed, Permit me to amend my first message to you this subject. I just called Jeff Rose to get the latest straight scoop on Navaid Devises, Inc. Jeff is a tech rep for the company and sells them. At present there are over 1600 units being used in many different home builts (the system is not certified) all over the country and can be coupled to GPS and a heading bug. Jeff's address is: 105 Gardener Street Chattanooga, TN 37411 423-622-8825 Navaid's address is as in the previous post but phone number is 423-267-3311. Jeff Rose also sells the Electorair DIS ignition system which I am using and like very much. Yesterday it was 45=B0 F at our airport and I noticed a guy hand propping his LEZ without much luck getting it started. After a 5 week sit, I decided to push my mostly completed MKIV out of the hangar to see how it would start. I primed the engine, turned it through 4 blades, turned on the DIS and hit the starter. It popped of on the first compression stroke and ran like a charm. That's the difference between DIS voltage to the plugs and mag voltage. I think it is something like 85000 vrs 12000 volts. Whatever, DIS is the cat's meow. I love it. For what it's worth, the Navaid Device is still $1300, the same price stated in my 3 year old info pack. dd From: DFinn7971@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:28:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: COZY: COZY - Metal Parts In a message dated 97-11-09 13:49:44 EST, david010@earthlink.net writes: << Sometimes I wonder why they stay in business with all the people bitching about them. I for one have been satisfied and if I haven't been, they've made it right. >> I would have to confess that I am glad Brock is producing parts as there doesn't seem to be any other source for most of the items. I'm pleased that Dave seems to have had good experiences with him. I, however, have found problems with price and quality. In the past I've stated that I would like to see is another vendor for the parts. As Dave points out, the tooling makes the cost of entry into this rather limited market seems to be quite high. There are probably other fears related to liability that keeps vendors out. Even so, we do have alternatives for many parts. Weldtech sells the engine mounts, Steve Wright can supply an electric nose gear lift at a price that is not really out of line with Brocks manual lift. I'm not sure, but suspect JD from Infinity cna supply some of the Brock parts. Jeff Russell even has some available (rudder pedals, steps, etc.). My overall feeling is that the price and quality from Brock would benefit from some competition. Dick Finn Dick Finn From: "norm & monda" Subject: Re: COZY: COZY - Metal Parts Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:09:17 -0500 I dont know what the problem is. ive never had a problem with quality or delivery. and on almost all parts price hasn't been that far out of line. consider the front wheel retract assy. I priced the alum, steel, bolts, gears, and bearings and I wouldn't have saved 50$. now how many hours do you think it would to make that item? 4-6 mabey? well I sell my time at about 50$ per hour, so I would have saved 50$ on parts and lost 300$ on my labor so the gear instead of costing me 200$ would have cost me 450$. now true this is theoretical money, but whats worth more to you your time and aggravation or the cash. you have to place a value somewhere. norm From: "astrong" Subject: COZY: Vendor announcement ! Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:09:16 -0800 The Strong Electric Pitch Trim e-mail address has changed to "astrong@mscomm.com" Alex A.R.Strong Homepage "http://www.canard.com/trim" From: ponciroli@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:20:49 -0500 Subject: COZY: Whelen Strobes Greetings fellow builders I saw Fred Frazier from Whelen Engineering while I was at Oshkosh and commented that his factory was pretty close to where I live. Fred gave me his card and told me that he would make me a good deal when I was ready to get my strobes. The short of it is that if you care to deal direct, you can get 40% off the top. If you don't live in CT you don't have to pay sales tax at least this year. I saved about $150.00 dealing direct. Whelen is located in Chester, Connecticut and is adjacent to the Chester airport. If anyone is interested contact Fred @ (860) 526-9504 or www.whelen.com Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:29:11 -0500 From: Bill Theeringer Subject: COZY: Nose Gear Ratchets Greetings to all; Just a note to the group to let you all know that the first production ru= n of the nose gear ratchets is complete. All of you who have been patientl= y waiting have been rewarded. All back orders were shipped Monday Dec. 22,= 1997 via 1st class post. They are now available off the shelf with no waiting. You can see what the ratchets look like by visiting http://shop.sears.com/store/craftsman/tools.htm. Click on search by keyword and enter part numbers 44807 or 44812. For further information E-Mail me at the address below. Thanks = Bill Theeringer, N29EZ See our award winning Long EZ with Jim Newmans excellent retractable gear= at http://www.flash.net/~infaero/infgear.htm Composite Aircraft Accessories HOME: (805) 964-5454; SHOP: (805) 964-5453; FAX: (805) 683-8577 Composite_Aircraft_Accessories@Compuserve.com PO Box 21645, Santa Barbara, CA 93121