Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 10:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland Subject: Brock Throttle Quadrant I called Jim White yesterday and asked him if it was worth buying the Brock throttle quadrant and he had a great idea - buy three for the price of two! How? Well, you need to modify it with a new throttle handle and you discard the supplied throttle cable for one that is heavier, so if you buy the parts for two, you have enough for three. A complete throttle quadrant sells for $104, so if two if you want to go in on this with me, your cost would be only about $70, plus the small shipping part which you would have to pay anyways. A savings of $34!!! Act now and you will receive an amazing Ginzu knife, perfect for cutting through that tough S-glass gear strut, at no extra charge! Any takers? If I find two others, I will do the ordering, split them up and end them your way. Then you can send me a check. E-mail me or call me at (206) 742-6798. Eric Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 07:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland Subject: Throttle Quadrants, cont..... Fellows, I have two other takers to go in with me on the throttle quadrants. I will let you all know how this works out incase some of you want to do the same thing later on your own. Eric Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 07:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland Subject: Re: Brock Throttle Quadrant Marc and Norm, Norm Balog is in as well, so I'll order them and send them your way, splitting all of the costs three ways. Nat and Shirley are staying with us again later this week for the Arlington Fly In, weather permitting (right now it's lousy), and I will confirm the wisdom of this idea with him before sending off the order. Unfortunatly, the Ginzu knives are unavailable at this time - part of cutlery trade sanctions with Japan. However, plan on all of this being cleared up before the 96 elections :-). We are going to need the recommended cable for the throttle. I checked with one of the distributors and one costs about $42. I am going to find out what kind of price break we could get on three from him and I am also going to see if I can buy directly from the manufacturer who is located not too far from here. I'll let you know what I find out in case you are interested. Later, Eric On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Marc J. Zeitlin wrote: > Eric; > > >Any takers? If I find two others, I will do the ordering, split them up > >and end them your way. Then you can send me a check. E-mail me or call > >me at (206) 742-6798. > > Count me in. (And I better get that Ginsu knife)! :-). > > -- > > Marc J. Zeitlin E-Mail: marcz@an.hp.com Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 16:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland Subject: Throttles again... Earlier today I posted that I had two other people committed to splitting up two throttles for three people. Right after that I received a message for another, all in less than 24 hours, so I am wondering if there are two more of you so we can split up 4 throttles for six people. Look on pages 23-13 and 23-14 if you are wondering what we are doing - the middle piece with the cable is omitted. On a related note, the Cable Craft cable specified is about $45 from a distributor in Kent, WA. Other distributers may have it for less (let me know if you know), but I am going to check to see if I can get a quantity price directly from Cable Craft which is about 40 miles from our home. I will order the throttles next Monday after bouncing all of this off Nat. Eric Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland Subject: Throttle Quadrants and Cables So far, we have five folks wanting to split up throttle quadrants, so we need one more. Marc Z., Norm B. and I are in on the first set and Marty K. and John W. are in the box waiting for one more person. I want to order them on Monday, so let me know. I checked this out with Nat and it is what he did when he built the plans model. One can order a single control in the Vari EZ section, but they are $43 each, so it is still better to split some up. On the Cable Craft cable, the best price I could get for a quantity of six was about $41, a savings of about 10%. Since I would have to pay 8.2% sales tax on all of them and you wouldn't if you ordered it on your own, you might as well wait. The 109" length specified in the plans is probably fine, but these are all individually made, so you might want to wait to see what length you need exactly. Eric Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 13:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland Subject: Re: Throttle Quadrants and Cables We have six, I'll place the order tomorrow. Eric Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland "Marc J. Zeitlin" , Marty Kansky , Norm Balog , Rick Crapse Subject: Update Fellows, Just letting you know that the check is in the mail. I called this morning and there was no price break for just four (I wasn't surprised). They could not give me a shipping cost for UPS, but said it would be less than $10. I will split them up when they arrive and let you know what the total comes to, I would guess around $75. >From the picture, it looks like the middle handle may be a little longer which gives us 4 "long" handles and 8 short ones to split up. I just thought I would pair them up and send them off unless someone has a preference. Let me know if you do or have a better idea. Later, Eric Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland "Marc J. Zeitlin" , Marty Kansky , Norm Balog , Rick Crapse Subject: Re: Throttle Quadrants and Cables On Tue, 11 Jul 1995 NBalog@aol.com wrote: > Great, Eric, when do you want the check? Not until I know how much it is. > As to the difference between tax and shipping costs, 8.2% of $41 bucks > is less than what shipping and handling is going to cost from the best coast > to the least coast where I'm at; better you buy the cable and send it with > the throttle block as I'm going to have to pay shipping to you anyway; > follow? Cable Craft makes the parts and sends them to assemblers all over the country, so there is probably one close to you which may cost less, won't have as high a sales tax, if at all, can make it to fit exactly and may do it for less. The plans call for a part with a number that starts with 183. My local assembler would only make a 184 which is for marine duty, presumambly more expensive. > ALSO, since we're all using the ellison TBI (should've bought stock, damn!), > and presumably the plans-built planes are all pretty much the same, shouldn't > we all be using the same cables, say, +/- a few tenths of an inch or so? One would think so, but all of these planes are a little different, so I will probably wait until my engine is mounted before I buy this cable. Eric Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:28:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland "Marc J. Zeitlin" , Marty Kansky , Norm Balog , Rick Crapse Subject: General (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:47:30 -0400 From: JIMWHI@aol.com Subject: General Some more good thoughts from Jim White that I am forwarding for you. Eric I had planned to talk to you about the throttle quadrant order you said you were making today. The center throttle arm is slightly longer than the other two. The person getting the center throttle arm(s) will need to reduce the length to match the size of the other two. Hope that doesn't cause you too much of a problem. I apologize for not mentioning it sooner. It shouldn't be a big deal. A little black paint and no one can tell the difference. I ordered a drilled bolt and castle head nut to replace the ones that came with the original Brock part. Using a nut with a plastic lock seemed a little Hokey for a part that would rotate beneath the nut. Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:20:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Westland "Marc J. Zeitlin" , Marty Kansky , Norm Balog , Rick Crapse Subject: Throttle Update Just to let you know that I received 3 out of the 4 throttle quadrants. If you need yours soon, let me know and I will get it in the mail to you. Otherwise I will wait until I get them all before sending them off. I went ahead and took two of the longer handles for myself and cut them down to the size of the others. It goes really easy - a little sabre saw work and then some filing. One of you will get the other pair of longer handles, the rest will get the short ones. Two will also get shorted the bolt as we will not be getting six, but you will probably want to replace it anyways. Who will make these decisions that command the wisdom of Solomon? None other than my two year old son David! I will box them up and then let him stick on the labels, so if you want to send a bribe, he likes root beer. Anyways, this seemed like a reasonable way to split them up. Let me know if you have an improved idea. BTW, I have now installed my throttle quadrant and this idea of splitting them up works just fine. Later, Eric